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Post by Montezuma on May 30, 2021 16:31:41 GMT -5
/\ I found nothing about it.
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Post by Montezuma on May 30, 2021 16:37:19 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on May 30, 2021 16:46:13 GMT -5
You are learning bro, great. Always check the genre. I have seen that before. Fiction, that's out unfortunately.
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Post by brobear on May 30, 2021 16:47:42 GMT -5
I wouldn't trust this source for facts. According to Michel Pastoureau, the bear in the Roman games were European brown bears and African bears.
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Post by Montezuma on May 30, 2021 17:05:52 GMT -5
I wouldn't trust this source for facts. According to Michel Pastoureau, the bear in the Roman games were European brown bears and African bears. Yes, its not on facts. If you see the roman empire map so the romans were expanded from Gaul(Germany) to Balkans(countries of Aegean sea). Romans did not even knew about the Ural mountains of russia. Due to this non-fact based written statement. Its goid google putted it in fiction.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 30, 2021 17:15:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't trust this source for facts. According to Michel Pastoureau, the bear in the Roman games were European brown bears and African bears. Yes, its not on facts. If you see the roman empire map so the romans were expanded from Gaul(Germany) to Balkans(countries of Aegean sea). Romans did not even knew about the Ural mountains of russia. Due to this non-fact based written statement. Its goid google putted it in fiction. Not just because of this statement though, its because the book is fiction in general.
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Post by Montezuma on May 30, 2021 21:28:41 GMT -5
Yes, its not on facts. If you see the roman empire map so the romans were expanded from Gaul(Germany) to Balkans(countries of Aegean sea). Romans did not even knew about the Ural mountains of russia. Due to this non-fact based written statement. Its goid google putted it in fiction. Not just because of this statement though, its because the book is fiction in general.Right, it does not focus on animals, histort, roman arenas or something. The book's name last detective surely shows that its unreliable about the bear and lion statement.
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Post by brobear on May 31, 2021 7:06:33 GMT -5
We have a topic: Bears surviving in Africa. There you will find that most here ( if not all ) agree that, with brown bears and lions living within the same environment, the lion would remain at the top of the food chain. Numbers tops weight, strength, durability, etc. - until those numbers meet a mega-beats with an outrageous size advantage ( pachyderms ).
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Post by Montezuma on May 31, 2021 18:28:08 GMT -5
We have a topic: Bears surviving in Africa. There you will find that most here ( if not all ) agree that, with brown bears and lions living within the same environment, the lion would remain at the top of the food chain. Numbers tops weight, strength, durability, etc. - until those numbers meet a mega-beats with an outrageous size advantage ( pachyderms ). I have seen that, and i agree with all that written over there. The lions would dominate the bear.
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Post by brobear on Jun 1, 2021 5:27:45 GMT -5
This is a video of African lions and Hokkaido brown bears in a Japanese zoo. So many years ago, in the old AVA, the lion fanboys were in "hog slop-bucket heaven" with this new discovery. That is, until some of the elite posters, lion enthusiasts among them, brought out the truth. The lion cubs and bear cubs, were placed together in the same enclosure at the same ages. As young cubs, they enjoyed playing. But, lions mature faster than bears. I can't remember the age of the animals, but the lions and the bears are the same ages; but not the same maturity. I'm thinking somewhere between 4 and 5 years old in this video. These huge bears are not yet full-grown and still retain their cub playfulness. Not long after this video was made, the lions and bears were separated.
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Post by brobear on Jun 1, 2021 5:33:20 GMT -5
Full grown Hokkaido brown bears. Note: many experts consider the Hokkaido and Ussuri bears to be the same subspecies.
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 1, 2021 15:51:22 GMT -5
/\ I my ownself have heard scientists saying that the ussuri brown bear is also found in Hokkaido. The bear in Hokaiddo and ussuri brown bear look similar to me.
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Post by brobear on Jun 2, 2021 7:47:47 GMT -5
Average mature South African lion - 421 pounds. (n=80) Average mature South African lioness - 284.4 pounds. (n=111)
Average mature Namibian/Zimbabwe lion - 434.3/423.3 pounds. (n=23/59) Average mature Namibian/Zimbabwe lioness - 313.1/313.1 pounds. (n=37/33)
Average mature East African lion - 383.6 pounds. (n=71) Average mature East African lioness - 266.8 pounds. (n=42)
Average mature Botswana lion - 405.6 pounds. (n=22) Average mature Botswana lioness - 310.9 pounds. (n=14)
Average mature Ethiopian lion - 302.5 pounds. (n=9) Average mature Ethiopian lioness - 285.7 pounds. (n=9)
Average mature West African lion - 348.3 pounds. (n=8) Average mature West African lioness - 211.6 pounds. (n=7) Average mature male Yellowstone grizzly (5 years+) - 425.5 pounds. Average mature female Yellowstone grizzly (5 years+) - 295.4 pounds.
Average fully grown male Yellowstone grizzly (9 years+) - 470 pounds. Average fully grown female Yellowstone grizzly (7 years+) - 304.08 pounds.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 2, 2021 8:09:22 GMT -5
The grizzly is a bit heavier.
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Post by brobear on Jun 2, 2021 8:15:59 GMT -5
The lion is the absolute greatest land-based predator on Earth, because not only does he rival the tiger in size and ferocity, but he also has the greatest advantage of all - numbers. But, one-on-one, could the dominant pride boss take on the dominant boss-bear of Yellowstone?
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 2, 2021 8:18:31 GMT -5
But haven't we talked about this fight in the "lion vs grizzly in the wild thread" ? We have already talked about all scenarios with different weights there. Here we will just repeat the same thing.
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Post by brobear on Jun 2, 2021 8:31:49 GMT -5
African Lion vs Grizzly Bear (average sizes as a species)
Lion vs Grizzly
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 2, 2021 8:48:07 GMT -5
/\ The lion is actually longer and taller. The grizzly is bulkier and has more powerful and thicker forearms.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 2, 2021 8:54:38 GMT -5
But haven't we talked about this fight in the "lion vs grizzly in the wild thread" ? We have already talked about all scenarios with different weights there. Here we will just repeat the same thing. My guess: Brobear wants us to focus on the Yellowstone grizzly bear vs lion specifically. They are fairly close in weight although the grizzly is heavier and stronger and a better grappler.
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Post by brobear on Jun 2, 2021 8:57:47 GMT -5
Quote: My guess: Brobear wants us to focus on the Yellowstone grizzly bear vs lion specifically. Precisely. You hit the nail right square on the head, OldGreenGrolar. *Average Panthera leo melanochaita (subspecies, extant, concluded out of all the former subspecies inhabiting East/South Africa) - 388.3 pounds for males and 291.1 pounds for females (n=264 and n=246)
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