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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 14:02:13 GMT -5
/\ I see we basically agree on most thing, if brown bears live in Africa, they will prey mainly on giraffe calves. A large one might kill an adult be even that would be rare. Like you said a huge moose is dangerous and even more so a giraffe.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 3:14:52 GMT -5
What about a 2200 polar bear, a 2500 kodiak, or an extinct stepped brown bear? Well the 2200 lb polar is the record specimen. The record kodiak was captive, 2400 lbs. the Steppe brown bear weighted up to 2200 lbs. these specimens would have more chances sure, more weight=more bulk and strength to take the giraffe down. But the giraffe is still much taller which is a big advantage, it would kick down on the bears. So in my opinion, its the same thing but with a little more chances.I agree with you regarding the polar bears chances to take down a giraffe will be 2/10. I also believe that large bovids like bisons are dangerous to even large bears. However, if the yellowish white bear manages to pass the defense of the giraffe, and large bovids, the polar bear will have an easier time killing a giraffe and large bovids compared to killing walrus, belugas, and narwhales (which basically have their necks and vital organs protected by blubber and thick skin). Yet I am not discounting the giraffe is a dangerous animal. All I am talking about is the polar bear's chance to beat the giraffe which is 2/10 etc. I haven't forgotten my promise to upload the info (additional proof the brown bear is stronger than big cats at parity) on my samsung galaxy later on. Will be busy later and I am using the laptop at the moment.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 3, 2019 23:06:23 GMT -5
If bears had the intelligence of humans, they would do much more than riding a bike.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 4, 2019 5:41:35 GMT -5
If polar bears could survive outside the artic without overheating, the algae which grows in their fur would make them become green bears.
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Post by tom on Jun 4, 2019 14:29:27 GMT -5
Interesting. Don't believe I've ever seen a green polar in captivity..
I take that back.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 4, 2019 17:10:28 GMT -5
/\ That green polar bear is what gave me the idea to create the green tip grizzly in the first place.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 26, 2019 9:44:30 GMT -5
Now we all agree that not even the largest and strongest bear (in real life) can kill an elephant, rhino, and hippo. Yet if a female polar bear can drag a beluga five times her weight. A 2200 pound male polar bear should be able to drag a 11000 pound African or Asian elephant carcass? And if a yearling black bear can flip a rock three times its weight, can a 2200 pound polar bear flip over a dead 6600 pound rhino or hippo carcass? Once, again not even extinct bears can kill these three titans - I am just talking mathematically. What do you guys think here?
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 26, 2019 11:23:12 GMT -5
Now we all agree that not even the largest and strongest bear (in real life) can kill an elephant, rhino, and hippo. Yet if a female polar bear can drag a beluga five times her weight. A 2200 pound male polar bear should be able to drag a 11000 pound African or Asian elephant carcass? And if a yearling black bear can flip a rock three times its weight, can a 2200 pound polar bear flip over a dead 6600 pound rhino or hippo carcass? Once, again not even extinct bears can kill these three titans - I am just talking mathematically. What do you guys think here? The problem is that logic does not work. Just because a female polar bear can drag a beluga 5 times her own weight, it does not mean a male polar bear can drag an 11.000 lb elephant carcass. Anyways, a male polar bear is much stronger than a female, but not 5 times, maybe 2 or 3 times at most. Anyhow, even if you have a 2200 lb polar bear, the most it can probably drag is a 3500 lb animals. No animal in this world can drag an 11.000 lb elephant carcass.
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Post by tom on Jun 26, 2019 12:52:31 GMT -5
Short of maybe a large female T-Rex I couldn't imaging anything dragging off with an African Elephant carcass.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 26, 2019 14:27:05 GMT -5
Now we all agree that not even the largest and strongest bear (in real life) can kill an elephant, rhino, and hippo. Yet if a female polar bear can drag a beluga five times her weight. A 2200 pound male polar bear should be able to drag a 11000 pound African or Asian elephant carcass? And if a yearling black bear can flip a rock three times its weight, can a 2200 pound polar bear flip over a dead 6600 pound rhino or hippo carcass? Once, again not even extinct bears can kill these three titans - I am just talking mathematically. What do you guys think here? The problem is that logic does not work. Just because a female polar bear can drag a beluga 5 times her own weight, it does not mean a male polar bear can drag an 11.000 lb elephant carcass. Anyways, a male polar bear is much stronger than a female, but not 5 times, maybe 2 or 3 times at most. Anyhow, even if you have a 2200 lb polar bear, the most it can probably drag is a 3500 lb animals. No animal in this world can drag an 11.000 lb elephant carcass.
That a good point and I agree with you. What might seem mathematically or theoratically right is not necessarily practically right.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 26, 2019 18:25:02 GMT -5
Yeah, that is basically what it is.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 28, 2019 7:22:25 GMT -5
I just want to add that a male grizzly is not much longer than a female yet it is 2/3s heavier. The polar bear is the most sexual dimorphic of all bears and a male can be twice as heavy as a female yet the male is often not much longer than a female polar bear either generally. The exceptionally large 2200 pound polar bear might not be much longer than a 1760 or 1540 pound polar bear. What are your thoughts, King Kodiak?
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 28, 2019 9:13:49 GMT -5
I just want to add that a male grizzly is not much longer than a female yet it is 2/3s heavier. The polar bear is the most sexual dimorphic of all bears and a male can be twice as heavy as a female yet the male is often not much longer than a female polar bear either generally. The exceptionally large 2200 pound polar bear might not be much longer than a 1760 or 1540 pound polar bear. What are your thoughts, King Kodiak? Well, actually brown bears should be more sexual dimorphic than polar bears. Remember that pregnant female polars can reach up to 1000 lbs in some cases. The largest females regularly reach about 700 lbs. Mature male kodiaks can be double or even triple the females, so i think thats more of a difference.
yeah, that 2210 lb polar bear was 11 feet tall, most polars that reach 1300 to 1700 lbs are 10 feet tall, so even though there is a large weight difference, there is only 1 foot height difference.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 28, 2019 10:20:30 GMT -5
Thanks for the information on the Kodiak bear. I stand corrected there. At least we agree on most things.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 28, 2019 17:38:47 GMT -5
Thanks for the information on the Kodiak bear. I stand corrected there. At least we agree on most things. Yes we do. On most items, we do definitely agree.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 5, 2019 0:09:54 GMT -5
According to info from the shaggygod forum, the male polar bears too heavy to be lifted by helicopters were estimated to be 800 kgs. That could mean the one and only one tonne polar bear's weight might be anecdotal?
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Post by King Kodiak on Jul 5, 2019 4:38:09 GMT -5
According to info from the shaggygod forum, the male polar bears too heavy to be lifted by helicopters were estimated to be 800 kgs. That could mean the one and only one tonne polar bear's weight might be anecdotal? Well, those are just estimations, not actual weights. Anyhow, like Brobear always said, most wild specimens are not weighted, so most probably there are very large bears out there. Most probable there are a few 1 ton polar bears out there in the wild.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 9, 2019 21:55:26 GMT -5
Polar bears are not longer than kodiak bears only slightly heavier on average.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 9, 2019 22:00:58 GMT -5
Extant animals that can kill polar bears: Elephants, white rhinos, black rhinos, indian rhinos, African hippos, sperm whales, orcas, great white sharks, one tonne croc boss.
Extand animals that can kill polar bears more often than not (more than 50% of the time): Similar size brown bears, medium large crocodiles, giraffes, large aggressive bovines (polar bear beats bovines more often than not at close weights, king cobras.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jul 9, 2019 22:23:21 GMT -5
I dont think the Porcupine should be there. Because of the quills, very young grizzlies have been blinded and even killed, but the mature bears are smart enough to avoid the quills. No way a Porcupine wins 50% or more vs any type of bear.
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