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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 9, 2019 22:30:35 GMT -5
I was doubtful about the porcupine and am fully aware an experience brown bear and black bear can kill a porcupine. Yet a polar bear has no experience with a porcupine but since a barren ground grizzly can learn to hunt seals, a polar bear can learn to hunt bovines and porcupines. Therefore, I will remove the porcupine from the list.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jul 9, 2019 22:41:38 GMT -5
I was doubtful about the porcupine and am fully aware an experience brown bear and black bear can kill a porcupine. Yet a polar bear has no experience with a porcupine but since a barren ground grizzly can learn to hunt seals, a polar bear can learn to hunt bovines and porcupines. Therefore, I will remove the porcupine from the list. Well you dont have to remove it from your list, its your list anyways. I am just saying that its very doubtful that a 35 lb Porcupine can even reach the eyes or hurt a male polar bear, you know what i mean? Not very likely. Just my opinion.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 9, 2019 22:51:33 GMT -5
I understand where you are coming from and agree with you. I am going to put the porcupine in another category (e.g. animals that can potentially hurt a polar bear).
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 9, 2019 22:57:01 GMT -5
Animals that can potentially hurt of kill polar bears: Porcupines, venomous snakes, komodo dragons (the polar bear will kill it off before the venom takes effect), smilodons can kill female polar bears (mainly by ambush but a male polar bear will demolish a smilodon populator), medium predatory sharks that can swim faster than a polar bear, walrus (wins 100% in the water but has little chance to stab a polar bear on land).
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Post by King Kodiak on Jul 9, 2019 23:34:07 GMT -5
I understand where you are coming from and agree with you. I am going to put the porcupine in another category (e.g. animals that can potentially hurt a polar bear). Yeah that sounds better. A porcupine can definitely hurt a polar bear. The polar bear should win 9/10 times. (I basically never give 10/10). I leave room for a surprise win.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 22, 2019 19:23:32 GMT -5
Now we all agree that not even the largest and strongest bear (in real life) can kill an elephant, rhino, and hippo. Yet if a female polar bear can drag a beluga five times her weight. A 2200 pound male polar bear should be able to drag a 11000 pound African or Asian elephant carcass? And if a yearling black bear can flip a rock three times its weight, can a 2200 pound polar bear flip over a dead 6600 pound rhino or hippo carcass? Once, again not even extinct bears can kill these three titans - I am just talking mathematically. What do you guys think here? The problem is that logic does not work. Just because a female polar bear can drag a beluga 5 times her own weight, it does not mean a male polar bear can drag an 11.000 lb elephant carcass. Anyways, a male polar bear is much stronger than a female, but not 5 times, maybe 2 or 3 times at most. Anyhow, even if you have a 2200 lb polar bear, the most it can probably drag is a 3500 lb animals. No animal in this world can drag an 11.000 lb elephant carcass.
This point also applies to the cougar for example: Just because a female cougar at 140 pounds can take down a bull moose about seven times her weight does not mean an exceptionally large male cougar at 276 to 300 pounds can take down a cape buffalo. This is where the square cube law applies - mass increases faster than strength, therefore, a larger animal may seem 'weaker' pound to pound. Yet a sub adult male ussuri brown bear gets more respect than a female brown bear of equal weight from the Siberian tiger. Therefore, a sub adult male polar bear and male cougar would be stronger than their female counterparts even at equal weight.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 23, 2019 4:36:17 GMT -5
Polar bears should be called yellow bears rather than white bears (since their translucent fur becomes yellow permanently not just due to seal oil but due to sun oxidation) and can also be called green bears due to algae which grows in their fur during summer.
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Post by tom on Aug 24, 2019 8:09:06 GMT -5
We'll I think Polar is still the best name considering where they live.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 28, 2019 2:13:04 GMT -5
Regarding the account with the tigers having more kills than the brown bears, I believe that none of the bears killed are large males. The brown bears killed consist mainly of females and cubs and probably one or two sub adult males or old injured males. None of the brown bears killed consist of healthy males. On the other hand, the tigers killed consist of adult males.
Bears (brown, black, and polar) have more effective jaws than felines when it comes to breaking the spines of ungulates. Felines have better killing bites which are use to strangulate and give skull bites at times. However, bears use their jaws to break spines by shaking them the way canines do except that bears have powerful forearm to help them grapple and hold prey while canines lack these despite their strong jaws.
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 28, 2019 6:09:41 GMT -5
Regarding the account with the tigers having more kills than the brown bears, I believe that none of the bears killed are large males. The brown bears killed consist mainly of females and cubs and probably one or two sub adult males or old injured males. None of the brown bears killed consist of healthy males. On the other hand, the tigers killed consist of adult males. Bears (brown, black, and polar) have more effective jaws than felines when it comes to breaking the spines of ungulates. Felines have better killing bites which are use to strangulate and give skull bites at times. However, bears use their jaws to break spines by shaking them the way canines do except that bears have powerful forearm to help them grapple and hold prey while canines lack these despite their strong jaws. Yeah i agree with everything here. Tigers do have more kills than brown bears in the wild because tigers are the hunters and they also choose which bears to hunt, they of course choose the weakest bears possible, by ambush anyways. Now in captivity is not even close, its like 20 to 4 in favor of the bears, why? No ambush advantage, there is face to face.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 2, 2019 21:55:53 GMT -5
It is still dangerous for a Siberian tiger to ambush a large male Ussuri brown bear which has flexible forearms that can reach the tiger on its back.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 2, 2019 22:31:31 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Nov 1, 2019 2:19:40 GMT -5
Lion vs Grizzly. Tiger vs Grizzly. Which is stronger, lion, tiger, or grizzly. These debates are dead. These questions have been answered. The grizzly is bigger, stronger, has greater girth, smarter, and is a superior grappler. In a face-off, the grizzly will defeat any big cat at least 90% of the time. A grizzly can and will displace any singular big cat from its kill. The debates are over, but the conversation continues.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 1, 2019 8:29:11 GMT -5
A dominant, 7 year old, adult male bengal tiger, failed to kill a little skinny female sloth bear that looked no more than 170 lbs, in a face to face fight, then the tiger lost stamina and finally ended up running away. So what would happen with a larger brown bear?? Think about it good.
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Post by brobear on Nov 1, 2019 8:47:28 GMT -5
Q - So what would happen with a larger brown bear?? Think about it good. A- total annihilation of the tiger.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 2, 2019 11:25:39 GMT -5
I havent made much bold statements about bears, but here i will make one:
After my daughter, bears are the best thing in this life, noting else matters.
URSIDAE-THE VERY BEST ANIMAL. OLD GRANDFATHER, OLD EPHRAIM.
URSUS ARCTOS MIDDENDORFFI THE BEST OF THE LAND.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 5, 2019 6:35:12 GMT -5
Polar bears are the top predator in their habitat. I am 100% sure a polar bear will prey on a Siberian tiger or any tiger for the matter of fact should they share the same habitat. The Siberian tiger will be the main hunter of caribao, musk oxen, and reindeer and be the artic wolves main predator, usurper and competitor when it comes to hunting.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 5, 2019 6:44:38 GMT -5
An American black bear is stronger than both a tiger and lion at parity.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 5, 2019 6:55:06 GMT -5
If American black bears were to swap places with the Ussuri brown bears in the Tiaga, most American black bears will be in danger of Siberian tiger predation except the exceptionally big males. The Ussuri brown bears will interbreed with the grizzly bears in the Yellowstone Park and the two shall merge into one.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 5, 2019 7:29:53 GMT -5
A brown bear's straight claws still can cut flesh and allows it to dig deep into opponents and is useful for fighting. A brown bear also has powerful but flexible forearms that enables it to control prey animals such as wild boars.
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