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Post by brobear on Dec 10, 2020 7:06:27 GMT -5
How would a barren ground grizzly do against tigers? Quote: In a fight to death, it will be almost 50/50 male tiger vs female Ussuri brown bear at weight parity. *Problem is, the tiger is not going to willingly fight a bear anywhere near her own size. The tiger will not even ambush a bear her own size. A barren ground grizzly charges a tiger - the tiger retreats. Simple as that. Remember too, the new info provided by 'Taker. The tiger really has no size advantage against the barren ground grizzly. Barren ground she-bear - yes. Smaller than the tiger; but more aggressive than a sloth bear.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 10, 2020 7:10:06 GMT -5
The barren ground grizzly also charges polar bears which are larger and stronger than tigers. There has not been one case where a polar bear killed a barren ground grizzly yet but one will show up sooner or later.
I think barren ground grizzlies avoid the older male polar bears during their fights in mating season. No records of barren ground grizzlies fighting with full grown male polar bears during that time.
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Post by brobear on Dec 10, 2020 7:14:02 GMT -5
Ussuri brown bear vs prime male Amur tiger ( any tiger ) I am the one who voted 50/50. Weights are actually uncertain, but its somewhere near a weight-party face-off. She is a lot-more-bear than a female sloth bear.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 10, 2020 7:21:18 GMT -5
I think Bloody Paws is the largest female extant bear ever recorded at 1000 pounds. Female polar bears reach 1000 pounds only when pregnant but Bloody Paws does not have a womb.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 10, 2020 7:24:41 GMT -5
I think Bloody Paws is the largest female extant bear ever recorded at 1000 pounds. Female polar bears reach 1000 pounds only when pregnant but Bloody Paws does not have a womb. Bloody paws would murder any feline, extant or even extinct.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 10, 2020 7:26:57 GMT -5
I think Bloody Paws is the largest female extant bear ever recorded at 1000 pounds. Female polar bears reach 1000 pounds only when pregnant but Bloody Paws does not have a womb. Bloody paws would murder any feline, extant or even extinct.She even kills for fun 😉.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 10, 2020 7:30:57 GMT -5
Bloody paws at 1000 lbs would destroy an average sized Populator.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 10, 2020 7:34:26 GMT -5
Bloody paws at 1000 lbs would destroy an average sized Populator. She slightly outweighs even an exceptionally large male smilodon populator.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 10, 2020 7:40:45 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Dec 10, 2020 7:49:48 GMT -5
*Those old "bison hunters" who later preyed on the bison's replacements ( livestock ) were huge grizzlies. William P. Hubbard estimated their average weight at 850-pounds ( based on bears actually weighed ). Personally, I think more like an average of roughly 700-pounds. But, that's a mere guess.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 10, 2020 11:26:10 GMT -5
Here is a bold statement: While not the strongest, Bloody Paws is probably the most aggressive of the bears as she kills for fun.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 12, 2020 1:32:46 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Dec 12, 2020 6:19:36 GMT -5
Quote: Now do you guys think a female Ussuri brown bear can rob a male Siberian tiger? *NO. I believe that only a big boar brown bear will displace a tiger of any age, sex, or size from his kill. I believe that it would be an extremely rare incident for a tiger to stand his ground and defend his kill. However, radio-collared tigers seldom reveal any displacements. If a full-grown male brown bear fights with a tiger, the bear is sure to receive some very painful wounds from those long sharp claws and from those powerful jaws armed with long canine teeth. Bears are intelligent animals. The bear will weight the possible price for the carcass. But, if he wants it bad enough, he can take it. She-bears do not challenge tigers for a carcass. But she is willing to fight a tiger in defense of her cubs.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 12, 2020 7:10:38 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Dec 12, 2020 13:37:08 GMT -5
By Dinopithecus ( seems to be a knowledgeable poster ): In serious fights, yes, tigers will rarely bite. I’ve only ever seen them bite when the enemy is knocked off balance, while bears will bite while they are still on their hind legs. I’ve shown this many times. Again, bears are only fat during specific times of the year, but overall they are very muscular creatures. And what reliable studies show that tigers have MUCH more powerful bite forces? Those 2-D dry skull studies? Also, how would expect the tiger to get a bite at the base of the skull? The bear isn’t just going to stand their to let the tiger get behind it and bite the base of its skull. *However, he doesn't seem to realize that even if a tiger were to manage a bite the back of a full-grown male brown bear's neck, rather than the expected quick kill, the tiger would only manage to anger the bear. This is probably the reason a tiger always chooses a bear smaller than himself. A bite to the base of the skull on a she-bear will produce a quick kill in most cases.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 12, 2020 15:17:06 GMT -5
Reply #113, that is all accurate yes, but he can repeat it 100 more times and those tiger boys will never understand it.
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Post by brobear on Dec 12, 2020 16:47:24 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 12, 2020 16:50:18 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Dec 12, 2020 16:50:49 GMT -5
*Sorry, but I can only partially agree with Kostoglod. ( reply #115 ). Aggression towards juvenile bears and she-bears, simply because they're smaller bears, is not a benefit to the bear population.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 12, 2020 16:54:01 GMT -5
*Sorry, but I can only partially agree with Kostoglod. ( reply #115 ). Aggression towards juvenile bears and she-bears, simply because they're smaller bears, is not a benefit to the bear population. We already been thru this before, subadults and females can also be sick or injured, the wild is a harsh place.
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