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Post by brobear on Nov 29, 2020 9:44:20 GMT -5
Thank you 'Taker. I personally find this topic interesting.
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Post by brobear on Nov 29, 2020 11:56:08 GMT -5
What I am considering: This she-bear going head-to-head against a prime male Amur tiger that has a slight weight advantage, is probably a mother defending her cubs. She is double the weight of a female sloth bear, which more often than not can fend-off a tiger. Pound-for-pound, she is stronger than the sloth bear. In defending her cubs, she is every inch as aggressive as any sloth bear. So ( IMO ) 50/50.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 29, 2020 11:59:32 GMT -5
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Post by theundertaker45 on Nov 29, 2020 12:01:48 GMT -5
Yes, probably because the methods of measuring the individuals hasn't been specified
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 29, 2020 12:07:37 GMT -5
Yes, probably because the methods of measuring the individuals hasn't been specified You could be right, because in Guate's table it was "over the curves", in Peter's table it does not specify.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 30, 2020 8:09:25 GMT -5
brobear , may I post all the accounts of Siberian tigers preying on female Ussuri brown bears here? The accounts on Dale/M20.
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Post by brobear on Nov 30, 2020 8:10:58 GMT -5
brobear , may I post all the accounts of Siberian tigers preying on female Ussuri brown bears here? The accounts on Dale/M20. I see no reason why not. Please post the source of each event.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 30, 2020 8:26:15 GMT -5
brobear , may I post all the accounts of Siberian tigers preying on female Ussuri brown bears here? The accounts on Dale/M20. I see no reason why not. Please post the source of each event. translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&ei=yhlkSsf9KeOgjAf4r7zvDw&hl=en&nv=1&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwcs%2Brussia%2Btiger%2Bmonograph%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&u=https://russia.wcs.org/DesktopModules/Bring2mind/DMX/Download.aspx%3FEntryId%3D3252%26PortalId%3D32%26DownloadMethod%3Dattachment&xid=17259 Here you go. These sources come from Siberian tiger project. No adult male Ussuri brown bears killed. www.nfwf.org/finalreports1/9144_1998-0093-056.03.pdftheworldofanimals.proboards.com/post/50748No accounts of male Ussuri brown bears on the menu again . However, a few females have been killed. The only adult male bear killed is a Himalayan black bear. My analysis: The only female brown bear which gave Dale a tough fight is the one where there was a failed ambush.
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Post by brobear on Nov 30, 2020 8:37:07 GMT -5
M-20 / Dima / Dale / Misha... one collared male tiger. Seems each culture studying his activities gave him a different name. Nice research TheGreenAgriotherium. Quote: "...each weighing as much as he does." Fake news but maybe. None of those bears were weighed. All of these bears were killed by ambush.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 30, 2020 8:37:34 GMT -5
To be completely honest, we really dont know if this was really a Himalayan black bear (Ursus thibetanus Laniger). The term "Himalayan black bear" is used as a general term for all Asiatic black bears. It was most likely an Ussuri black bear (Ursus thibetanus ussuricus). It was an adult male black bear, that's for sure.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 30, 2020 8:53:43 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 30, 2020 9:01:19 GMT -5
Is there any description of a fight? If not, ambush, nothing new.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 30, 2020 9:06:33 GMT -5
Is there any description of a fight? If not, ambush, nothing new. Not that I know off. I can't understand chinese language.
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Post by brobear on Nov 30, 2020 9:11:16 GMT -5
Reality check: This is how I envision a Mama Ussuri brown bear when she feels that her cubs are threatened by a prime male tiger. I have no reason to think that she will react any differently than she does when the threat is a big boar brown bear. Her charge and her aggressive behavior will be way more threatening than the defensive stance of a sloth bear. She will not stop. She is not in defensive mode; she become the aggressor. She will slam directly into the tiger full of fury, with claws and teeth. ( IMO ) the tiger will retreat every single time.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 30, 2020 9:18:36 GMT -5
Phrase credited to the leyend brobear:
"Fact #7- A tiger fanboy cannot post evidence to prove that which has never happened."
Now frame this and put it up on your wall guys.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 9, 2020 2:02:42 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 10, 2020 6:45:51 GMT -5
I know a female grizzly will aggressively defend her cubs. Will the female Ussuri brown bear do the same? She probably would if there is no where to run.
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Post by brobear on Dec 10, 2020 6:51:44 GMT -5
I know a female grizzly will aggressively defend her cubs. Will the female Ussuri brown bear do the same? She probably would if there is no where to run. Without question. Have you not watched documentaries and videos of Mama bear charging right into a big boar grizzly? She would do no less against a tiger. But I can assure you, the biggest prime male tiger will retreat for angry charging Mama Grizz.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 10, 2020 6:54:50 GMT -5
I know a female grizzly will aggressively defend her cubs. Will the female Ussuri brown bear do the same? She probably would if there is no where to run. Without question. Have you not watched documentaries and videos of Mama bear charging right into a big boar grizzly? She would do no less against a tiger. But I can assure you, the biggest prime male tiger will retreat for angry charging Mama Grizz. I have watched these documentaries. In a fight to death, it will be almost 50/50 male tiger vs female Ussuri brown bear at weight parity. However, a female with cubs successfully driving away a male tiger is no surprise since she drives away the larger more powerful male grizzly.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 10, 2020 6:58:49 GMT -5
How would a barren ground grizzly do against tigers?
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