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Post by brobear on Feb 16, 2021 11:12:09 GMT -5
Quote: "...tigers prey "up to the largest and healthiest female brown bears" *However, there remains not one single account of a tiger killing an adult bear equal in weight to himself. Therefore ( IMO ) the tiger might occasionally come across a large she-bear that he passes by.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 16, 2021 11:17:57 GMT -5
Quote: "...tigers prey "up to the largest and healthiest female brown bears" *However, there remains not one single account of a tiger killing an adult bear equal in weight to himself. Therefore ( IMO ) the tiger might occasionally come across a large she-bear that he passes by. I agree, that's right. No records of a tiger killing an adult female brown bear larger than it. I am pretty sure Linda Kerley just made a general statement.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 12:05:06 GMT -5
50:50 imo
Bears grapling skills, and stability are counter to agility and explosiveness. I think tigers claws are better at latching on things and getting through skin better, but bear claws can at the end do more serious blows. Bear also has better stamina and durability. Tiger got accurate and deadly bite, while bear bites everywhere to rip its enemy slowly or to graple even more. Tiger does have better maneuverability tho in fight and can turn its body around and fight on its back fast (this might fall in to agility category tho)
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Post by brobear on Feb 17, 2021 12:36:34 GMT -5
Quote: I think tigers claws are better at latching on things and getting through skin better, but bear claws can at the end do more serious blows. *Bear claws are not ordinarily as sharp as those of a cat, but neither are they as dull as some people seem to think. A bear can slice into a tough hide. It is true that a cat can better hold onto his prey or an adversary. Problem is, the cat sometimes has a moment of difficulty turning loose. I'm sure that everyone reading this who has ever owned a cat is aware of how often the cat gets his claws hung-up on a piece of furniture. The same thing can happen on a tough hide. I have also seen pictures of brown bears torn-up horribly from the claws of other brown bears. The big cats do not have a monopoly on dangerous claws.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 17, 2021 12:52:01 GMT -5
Exactly, people think the ends are completely dull, that is not the case, that is an exaggeration:
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 17, 2021 12:55:08 GMT -5
When i show this to people in real life, they literally laugh at the comparison. Tigers claws are a joke compared to a brown bear, lmao:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 13:02:32 GMT -5
Quote: I think tigers claws are better at latching on things and getting through skin better, but bear claws can at the end do more serious blows. *Bear claws are not ordinarily as sharp as those of a cat, but neither are they as dull as some people seem to think. A bear can slice into a tough hide. It is true that a cat can better hold onto his prey or an adversary. Problem is, the cat sometimes has a moment of difficulty turning loose. I'm sure that everyone reading this who has ever owned a cat is aware of how often the cat gets his claws hung-up on a piece of furniture. The same thing can happen on a tough hide. I have also seen pictures of brown bears torn-up horribly from the claws of other brown bears. The big cats do not have a monopoly on dangerous claws. Thats what I tried to say, bears can do overall deeper and nastier wounds/blows because they are much larger, thicker and deep in to the bone and many has pointed out how they can destroy car doors with ease using those claws. They have more power behind them and imo better shaped as well. Bear claws are shaped like katanas while cats claws are like fishing hooks. Bears claws have many purposes you know. Cats claws are to get hold while bears claws are to dig, destroy things and do damage (correct me if I am wrong, I am not a bear expert) but thats what I have heard.
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Post by brobear on Feb 17, 2021 13:19:51 GMT -5
Quote: Thats what I tried to say, bears can do overall deeper and nastier wounds/blows because they are much larger, thicker and deep in to the bone and many has pointed out how they can destroy car doors with ease using those claws. They have more power behind them and imo better shaped as well. Bear claws are shaped like katanas while cats claws are like fishing hooks. Bears claws have many purposes you know. Cats claws are to get hold while bears claws are to dig, destroy things and do damage (correct me if I am wrong, I am not a bear expert) but thats what I have heard. *I agree 100% with all said. A grizzly can dig deep into ground so hard that a man cannot dig in the same dirt with a shovel without first breaking the ground with a pick-ax. And this ground riddled with rocks and tough roots. A biologist stated, when observing this, that the grizzly reminded him of a piece of heavy machinery on a construction job.
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Post by brobear on May 1, 2021 9:58:07 GMT -5
Debate: Male Amur Tiger vs Female Ussuri Brown Bear. *Note that anytime we read "male this vs female that" ( with rare exceptions such as the hyena ) this is the proof in the pudding that the species represented as being female is the dominant of the two species in this debate. Male Ussuri brown bear vs male Amur tiger is a mismatch in favor of the bear. In this face-off debate, if their weights are similar, as I suspect they would be in most cases, I would give them ( as in my vote ) a 50/50. When there is a significant weight difference; I would wager on the heavier of the two.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 1, 2021 10:51:01 GMT -5
Reply 184. The polar bear also has bigger and stronger claws than any big cat.
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Post by brobear on May 1, 2021 14:52:58 GMT -5
Reply 184. The polar bear also has bigger and stronger claws than any big cat. The claws are randomly collected claws. A size comparison of claws from this collection has no real meaning, other than to compare the shape and purpose of the various claws.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 8, 2021 8:18:17 GMT -5
Reply 184. The polar bear also has bigger and stronger claws than any big cat. The claws are randomly collected claws. A size comparison of claws from this collection has no real meaning, other than to compare the shape and purpose of the various claws. Still most of us here agree that longer claws are able to dig deeper than sharper and shorter claws.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 8, 2021 8:22:15 GMT -5
I know this has been posted somewhere on this forum yet it is good to have a recap on a rough size comparison between a Siberian tiger and female Ussuri brown bear from time to time. To be fair the female brown bear is a little closer to the camera than the tiger is.
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Post by Montezuma on May 11, 2021 19:06:29 GMT -5
I think that some females that are hunted by tigers are somestimes said as large but they are not as large as showed. Recently, i was seeing a documentry about bears of Kamchatka, the narrator said ,"the mother stand 8 feet on her legs on see the salmon". While the she-bear wasn't so big and females donot measure 8 feet. Same problem with bear sizes when experts describes bears preyed by tigers.
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Post by brobear on May 12, 2021 0:46:38 GMT -5
I think that some females that are hunted by tigers are somestimes said as large but they are not as large as showed. Recently, i was seeing a documentry about bears of Kamchatka, the narrator said ,"the mother stand 8 feet on her legs on see the salmon". While the she-bear wasn't so big and females donot measure 8 feet. Same problem with bear sizes when experts describes bears preyed by tigers. Kamchatka brown bears do not come into contact with tigers. Thus far, the only brown bear subspecies to engage the tiger ( in modern historical times ) is the Ussuri brown bear ( black grizzly ). And... the answer is NO. Tigers do not stalk bears as large as themselves.
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Post by brobear on May 22, 2021 12:45:51 GMT -5
Average fully-grown female Ussuri brown bear (7 years+) - 415 pounds. Average mature Amur tiger (contemporary) - 418.9 pounds. *The Amur tiger chooses carefully his prey, especially when it comes to bears. I doubt that a 420 pound tiger would choose a 415 pound she-bear. The vast majority of bears killed by tigers are at least 100 pounds less in weight than the tiger. Dale had been weighed-in at 450 pounds. I feel certain that the she-bear in the over-talked-about event, which ended up a 20-minute fight, weighed no more than 400 pounds ( probably less ). But, she was big enough that the big male tiger was unable to make a quick kill. We have no way of knowing how much damage was done, to the bear, in the initial ambush attack.
A face-off with both animals in good condition, male tiger and female brown bear, is highly debatable.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 24, 2021 17:32:10 GMT -5
/\ It is debatable because they are at weight parity.
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Post by Montezuma on May 25, 2021 18:22:19 GMT -5
Its a fair match. When a bear becomes 50 kg larger than any big cat so it becomes a mismatch as the strength level of the bear also increases. I think the female ussuri brown bear would win from a male tiger because although the bear is female yet its still a bear and a bear means a pure fighter. The say that,
Male ussuri grizzly vs male amur tiger, bear wins 9 out of 10 times.
Female ussuri brown bear vs male amur tiger, bear wins 6-7 out of 10.
Female ussuri grizzly vs amur tigress, bear wins 9 out of 10 times.
Ussuri male grizzly vs female amur tigeress, bear wins 10 out of 10.
Throughout these four face-off, the bear has won more points, thats why taiga's king is brown bear not tiger. Tiger is sub-king.
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Post by brobear on May 25, 2021 19:04:58 GMT -5
Male Amur tiger vs Female Ussuri brown bear - my estimate: 50/50 Male Amur tiger vs Male Ussuri brown bear - my estimate: Bear wins 19 out of 20.
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Post by Montezuma on May 25, 2021 19:25:59 GMT -5
Male Amur tiger vs Female Ussuri brown bear - my estimate: 50/50 Male Amur tiger vs Male Ussuri brown bear - my estimate: Bear wins 19 out of 20. I think that male tiger vs femake brown bear should have atleast 60 for bear. What you think?
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