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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 24, 2019 1:55:19 GMT -5
A captive sick polar bear is still capable of killing healthy tigers and lions or at least instilling fear in both cats as in the account below: This shows that bears are just more superior overall. Correct: "When accidents happen, when strange animals are placed together and a fight starts, always try to protect the weaker animal, regardless of his species. You will hear it said that a tiger can kill a lion, or vice versa. In my experience i have seen all theories exploded. Tigers have killed lions, lions have killed polar bears, a small leopard has killed a large tiger. usually a polar bear can kill any of the big cats, but i have seen a lion kill a polar bear", Louis Roth, forty years with jungle killers, page 204-205.
We are talking about captive polar bears here .
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Post by BruteStrength on Nov 24, 2019 1:59:35 GMT -5
Awesome. Great source you linked. This shows once again that bears are on a whole different level than big cats.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 24, 2019 2:35:59 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 24, 2019 3:01:48 GMT -5
Unlike the brown bear, polar bears in captivity are rarely overweight or particularly large, possibly as a reaction to the warm conditions of most zoos.
www.projectnoah.org/spottings/11801217
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Post by BruteStrength on Nov 24, 2019 3:18:38 GMT -5
Another great link. I seen this before about the lion killing the polar bear. But I never knew that the polar bear weighed only 500 pounds. So this was a weight parity fight. Or maybe a ambush.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 24, 2019 3:25:02 GMT -5
Another great link. I seen this before about the lion killing the polar bear. But I never knew that the polar bear weighed only 500 pounds. So this was a weight parity fight. Or maybe a ambush. Actually the polar bear is 560 pounds and the lion is 500 pounds but you are right it is a weight parity fight. The first article did say both weight 500 pounds.
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Post by brobear on Nov 24, 2019 3:53:19 GMT -5
Remember that this captive polar bear is carrying well over 60 pounds of fat.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 24, 2019 7:26:30 GMT -5
"In my experience i have seen all theories exploded. Tigers have killed lions, lions have killed polar bears, a small leopard has killed a large tiger. usually a polar bear can kill any of the big cats, but i have seen a lion kill a polar bear", Louis Roth, forty years with jungle killers, page 204-205"
This is a very good quote from a well known animal trainer Lars. You should post this in the "opinions favoring bears" thread.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 24, 2019 8:52:42 GMT -5
"In my experience i have seen all theories exploded. Tigers have killed lions, lions have killed polar bears, a small leopard has killed a large tiger. usually a polar bear can kill any of the big cats, but i have seen a lion kill a polar bear", Louis Roth, forty years with jungle killers, page 204-205" This is a very good quote from a well known animal trainer Lars. You should post this in the "opinions favoring bears" thread.Done .
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Post by brobear on Nov 24, 2019 16:34:49 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 20, 2019 7:08:46 GMT -5
*Bump*Thanks Tom for unlocking this thread. There are a few accounts that belong in this thread.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 20, 2019 23:19:34 GMT -5
While a Bengal tiger is capable of taking down a gaur, I doubt a Siberian tiger will be able to take out a walrus. This is because a walrus’s vital organs are protected by blubber plus thick hide and death between two walruses are rare in fights. Even a huge male polar bear which is larger and stronger than the most powerful Siberian tiger has a hard time taking down adult walruses.
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Post by brobear on Dec 21, 2019 4:29:49 GMT -5
While a Bengal tiger is capable of taking down a gaur, I doubt a Siberian tiger will be able to take out a walrus. This is because a walrus’s vital organs are protected by blubber plus thick hide and death between two walruses are rare in fights. Even a huge male polar bear which is larger and stronger than the most powerful Siberian tiger has a hard time taking down adult walruses. Not a simple question. Tigers use different methods than bears. A cat uses his claws to hold onto prey - basically a tiger can stick to the walrus like velcro. If the tiger leaps upon the back of a bull walrus, he will then use his jaws and long canines on the base of the pinniped's neck. Whether or not a tiger can kill a walrus depends on just how well the walrus's neck is protected - how deep is the spine?
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 21, 2019 7:25:07 GMT -5
The walrus neck is protected by 4 inch hide plus blubber and its neck is thicker than that of a gaur or Cape buffalo.
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Post by brobear on Dec 21, 2019 7:27:50 GMT -5
The walrus neck is protected by 4 inch hide plus blubber and its neck is thicker than that of a gaur or Cape buffalo. The tiger would have to hunt baby walrus and smaller seals. Realistically, I cannot see a tiger surviving in the polar bears Domain.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 24, 2019 22:18:15 GMT -5
The walrus neck is protected by 4 inch hide plus blubber and its neck is thicker than that of a gaur or Cape buffalo. The tiger would have to hunt baby walrus and smaller seals. Realistically, I cannot see a tiger surviving in the polar bears Domain. The tiger wont last and would go extinct in the Artic circle. Several reasons why:
#1 ) although Amur tigers live in Siberia where the temperature goes down to -30, in the Artic circle the temperature goes down to -70, that is huge difference, i doubt the tiger can withstand that.
#2 ) no trees, no vegetation, barely anything to cover itself and use its ambush tactics, this means it will be forced to hunt face to face or die of starvation. Which Artic animal is it gona hunt head on? Artic wolves maybe? Artic fox? Raindeer? If he can find them.
#3 ) the polar bear is the master of its habitat and its the most carnivorous of all bears, its not like the Ussuri brown bear who is only 10-20 % hunter. The polars would actually go after the tigers. this simply means that the tiger is going to be on the run or hunted by polar bears. The tiger does not stand a chance.
If you drop 100 tigers in the Artic circle, i see them going extinct.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jan 3, 2020 7:53:14 GMT -5
The polar bear which owes its existance to the brown bear compared to an Amur tiger in size.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jan 3, 2020 7:54:57 GMT -5
Not favourable for the tiger.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jan 3, 2020 8:09:21 GMT -5
I know these are only toys but they can be used to represent the difference between an undersized polar bear and a captive tiger. If undersized captive polar bears can strike fear in captive tigers and lions, there is no doubt a large male grizzly will dominate.
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Post by brobear on Jan 3, 2020 8:23:22 GMT -5
Not favourable for the tiger... actually, the polar bear pictured is not very big - could be substantially bigger in comparison.
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