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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 8:37:46 GMT -5
Personally, since the siberian tiger can stand extreme colds, it might be able to venture into the polar region. Firstly I believe we all agree that polar bear versus siberian tiger is a mismatch in favour of the polar bear. Yet I wonder how the siberian tiger will survive if we drop 10 pairs in the arctic. I believe the polar bear would usurp the siberian tiger of its kills from time to time and even prey on an adult pantherine. The siberian tiger would avoid full grown adult males and even females but prey on the bear cubs.
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Post by brobear on Jan 1, 2019 8:44:36 GMT -5
IMO - The Amur tiger could not survive in the high arctic. He is an ambush predator and hunting seal and walrus is something completely alien to a big cat. Consider that there have been a large variety of big cats living far north, including the Amur tiger, the cave lion, and P. atrox. Yet none of them conquered the high arctic as did the grizzly ( which evolved into the polar bear ). I might be wrong, but this is my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 8:46:22 GMT -5
I didn't mean venture onto ice. What i meant was venturing half way like into the tundra where the musk oxens lurk.
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Post by brobear on Jan 1, 2019 9:07:33 GMT -5
I didn't mean venture onto ice. What i meant was venturing half way like into the tundra where the musk oxens lurk. Even here, the tiger would be completely out of his element. He is an ambush predator - no trees on the tundra. Hunting caribou and musk ox would be difficult for him. When cave lions lived there, the prey species were much more varied and numerous. And, they probably hunted in prides like Panthera leo. Tigers are forest dwellers. Notice also that the highly adaptable cougar does not live out on the open tundra.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 9:24:00 GMT -5
Thats a good point there which you have. Tigers generally live in the forested area. However, the siberian tiger runs in the snow in siberia.
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Post by brobear on Jan 1, 2019 9:28:02 GMT -5
Thats a good point there which you have. Tigers generally live in the forested area. However, the siberian tiger runs in the snow in siberia. Yes, The Amur ( or Siberian ) tiger is well adapted to his frozen forest ( taiga ). There, he is indeed the apex predator.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 1, 2019 11:46:31 GMT -5
Well yeah, the siberian tiger lives in the freezing cold, in its habitat in can go down as low as -45 degrees, but in the north artic the weather can go down to -70 degrees, so thats alot more colder. To tell you the truth, i dont know if that difference would affect the tiger or not. The Taiga is freezing yes, but the artic is alot more freezing.
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Post by Kamchatka on Jan 4, 2019 1:08:16 GMT -5
IMO - The Amur tiger could not survive in the high arctic. He is an ambush predator and hunting seal and walrus is something completely alien to a big cat. Consider that there have been a large variety of big cats living far north, including the Amur tiger, the cave lion, and P. atrox. Yet none of them conquered the high arctic as did the grizzly ( which evolved into the polar bear ). I might be wrong, but this is my opinion. This is true. Tiger cannot compete in high Arctic. But tiger never had to try, he was bold master of taiga forest. Brown bear ventured into Arctic to exploit blubber resources. Martimus utilized Arctos attributes so quickly adapted to sea life. Big cats never had to, they are also metabolically unsuited.
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Post by brobear on Jan 4, 2019 4:59:30 GMT -5
The brown bear challenged and conquered a wide variety of environments as his population numbers soared. The great bear spread from China all across Asia, into North Africa, Europe, and into North America. The lion ( Panthera leo ) conquered most of Africa and a small portion of Europe and Asia. The tiger lived only in Asia. The tiger has never reached a large enough population to cause him to spread further, even though it takes a huge plot of land to support one tiger.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 4, 2019 6:34:38 GMT -5
“But tiger never had to try, he was bold master of taiga forest“
The “master” avoids adult male bears at all costs, he would definatly avoid a bear almost twice the weight of the Ussuri, the king of the artic, the white bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 4, 2019 6:54:12 GMT -5
An adult male tiger stands zero chance vs an adult male polar bear in a fair face to face fight. The polar wins just by showing up.
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Post by Polar on Jan 4, 2019 12:03:20 GMT -5
Polar bears will easily out-compete tigers, simple as that...or they might develop a similar relationship as the brown bears and siberian tigers in the Amur, but with plenty more violent interactions as both are "pure" predators hunting the same resource.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 4, 2019 16:44:27 GMT -5
Polar bears will easily out-compete tigers, simple as that... or they might develop a similar relationship as the brown bears and siberian tigers in the Amur, but with plenty more violent interactions as both are "pure" predators hunting the same resource. Absolutely, outcompete and outpower. But there is a huge difference: the average weight and size of polar bears compared to the Ussuri brown bear. In this case, the tiger will be the prey, even adult males, thats my opinion. Also, full grown female polars can weight up to 575 lbs, when pregnant, up to 1000. Even a female polar would be able to defeat the largest male tigers. Polar bear is the king of the Artic.
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Post by Kamchatka on Jan 4, 2019 18:27:32 GMT -5
Foolish ideas!
Tiger must kill and take meat.
Bear will forage anything edible.
Maritimus is primarily blubber consumer.
In taiga, before men took top predator role, tiger was czar.
Bear must be careful as certain tigers develop active hate for them.
These are true findings from Russian observational field recordings.
Mere speculative opinions are of little real value by contrast.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 4, 2019 18:39:40 GMT -5
#1...why is you name “Kamchatka” dont you like the Kamchatka brown bear? There are no tigers in Kamchatka, did you know that ? Ha ha ha.
#2....the adult male brown bear is the king of the taiga, The bear that tigers fear.
#3....the most famous and smarter TIGER FAN, Peter, just said that the authorities in the know, have stated that brown bears beat tigers most times at similar size, so you can bet a 900 to 1500 lb polar bear would decimate your little striped kitty with one arm.
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Post by brobear on Jan 5, 2019 1:01:43 GMT -5
Kamchatka - No more spam. Tiger must kill and take meat. Polar bear also. Bear will forage anything edible. In the high arctic, there is only meat. Maritimus is primarily a blubber consumer. Seals, walrus, and whales are fat. Would a tiger find lean prey animals in the high arctic? In the taiga, tiger was czar. But a tiger never hunts mature male brown bear, the Boss of the Woods. Bear must be careful as certain tigers develop active hate for them. But a mature male brown bear is immune to tiger attack. These are true findings from Russian observational field recordings, that tigers strictly avoid mature male brown bear on fear of death. Mere speculative opinions are of little real value by contrast. History proves that in a face-off, either a lion or a tiger comes out second best to a mature male brown bear. Note: I have serious doubts that a tiger could even survive in the high arctic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 2:42:56 GMT -5
The polar bear still has the best slicing bite off all bears and can cut open beluga hide which is 100 times thicker than that of an average land mammal. The polar bear outweighs a siberian tiger and would easily dominate.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 5, 2019 2:45:05 GMT -5
A tiger is going nowhere near the artic, trust me. Not as long as the great polar bear is around. The largest and most poweful predator in the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 2:47:48 GMT -5
We are on the same side kodiak. I do believe that the cave bear is heavier than a polar bear.
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Post by brobear on Jan 5, 2019 3:01:11 GMT -5
I started the topic Global Distribution to make a point. Animals breed and the most successful can be clearly seen in their numbers. Of course, in our modern world, man-kind is a wrench tossed into the gears of how things work. But the maps I posted ( or Tom posted at my request ) show the previous domain of lion, tiger, and brown bear. Each of these predators individually require a huge expanse of land to live. The animal's own numbers cause the species to expand its territory. Yet, the tiger never spread outside of Asia. The lion ( P. leo ) spread out only a relatively short distance outside of Africa. But, the brown bear spread out across the entire northern hemisphere. The polar bear owes his very existence to the brown bear's dominance among the Carnivora and his peerless survival skills. No big cat ever accomplished this and probably could not have.
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