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Post by theundertaker45 on Oct 15, 2021 10:58:02 GMT -5
theundertaker45 . Are you able to make any photoshops like in reply 287 and 288? Unfortunately not; but maybe some day.
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Post by brobear on Nov 27, 2022 4:00:15 GMT -5
Female polar bears stand from 6' to 8' and weigh anywhere from 400 to 700 pounds. A tiger will not ambush a bear of this size-range. Therefore, if tigers lived within the polar bear's domain, the big cats would only ambush young adolescent bears.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2022 10:55:17 GMT -5
Size comparison between the two: Polar Bear (140cm at the shoulders) vs Siberian Tiger (100cm at the shoulders). ( by TheUndertaker45 ). The taker says: I don't want to be disrespectful at all but the bear would finish off the tiger in less than a minute imo; a 1100lbs+ male polar bear is a league above every extant lion/tiger that has ever existed; I would even give this giant a slight edge over two tigers given the size difference; it's just anormal how big mature male polar bears actually get, he absolutely dwarfs this tiger here... Hmmmm........ Hold up. Polar Bears don't dwarf Siberian Tigers that hard. They're bigger, sure, but not as back as the photo depicts.
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Post by brobear on Dec 10, 2022 12:23:13 GMT -5
When we look at average-sized individuals or maximum-sized individuals, either way the polar bear dwarfs the tiger. Here is a more recent and better comparison. Very realistic.
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 11, 2022 9:59:31 GMT -5
As brobear pointed out earlier, a tiger would face many difficulties when ambusing polar bears if they co-existed in Arctic. A tiger would sometimes only pose threat to females and sub-adults. But, i think that the male polar bear would be a greater threat to tigers in arctic than the ussuri brown bear does in forests. Because, unlike the Amur brown bear, the polar bear is more 90% carnivorous, meaning it would more oftenly kleptoparasite on tiger's kills and would even try to kill and eat the feline.
However, i cannot think that a tiger or anyother feline could survive in Arctic. They need to first adopt the enviornment with many essential changes as bears did.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 11, 2022 16:56:42 GMT -5
Size comparison between the two: Polar Bear (140cm at the shoulders) vs Siberian Tiger (100cm at the shoulders). ( by TheUndertaker45 ). The taker says: I don't want to be disrespectful at all but the bear would finish off the tiger in less than a minute imo; a 1100lbs+ male polar bear is a league above every extant lion/tiger that has ever existed; I would even give this giant a slight edge over two tigers given the size difference; it's just anormal how big mature male polar bears actually get, he absolutely dwarfs this tiger here... Hmmmm........ Hold up. Polar Bears don't dwarf Siberian Tigers that hard. They're bigger, sure, but not as back as the photo depicts. That is probably a male polar bear from Foxe Basin, the largest polar bears at average weight.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 11, 2022 16:58:36 GMT -5
Female polar bears stand from 6' to 8' and weigh anywhere from 400 to 700 pounds. A tiger will not ambush a bear of this size-range. Therefore, if tigers lived within the polar bear's domain, the big cats would only ambush young adolescent bears. Female polar bears will win 7/10 in my opinion. 30% is a good chance of being killed. Therefore, it would normally be a mutual avoidance.
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Post by brobear on Dec 11, 2022 22:44:25 GMT -5
As brobear pointed out earlier, a tiger would face many difficulties when ambusing polar bears if they co-existed in Arctic. A tiger would sometimes only pose threat to females and sub-adults. But, i think that the male polar bear would be a greater threat to tigers in arctic than the ussuri brown bear does in forests. Because, unlike the Amur brown bear, the polar bear is more 90% carnivorous, meaning it would more oftenly kleptoparasite on tiger's kills and would even try to kill and eat the feline.
However, i cannot think that a tiger or anyother feline could survive in Arctic. They need to first adopt the enviornment with many essential changes as bears did. True. I've given this some thought. Roughly 20,000 years ago (exact time debatable) a group of brown bears migrated up into the arctic and learned to hunt seals on the sea ice. As they adapted to this environment, they evolved into polar bears. Both cave lions and tigers were hunting within the brown bear's domain, but neither made it up as far north as did the brown bear. While already being carnivorous, it should have been easier for the big cats than for the big omnivores. Imo, brown bears can handle extreme cold better than cave lions or tigers.
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Post by hardcastle on Dec 14, 2022 7:43:24 GMT -5
I dont agree with this sentence though. 2 tigers working together is too much for a polar bear. We have to be rational in our thinking..does not matter if the polar still weights more than both tigers combined, if one attacks from the front and another from the back, its over. Responding to a 2 year old comment here, but I disagree. With 1 vs 2, if the single animal grossly outclasses each of the 2, then the lone animal will just kill them one after another. No big whoop. ESPECIALLY if it's 2 animals that aren't known for elite coordinated attack strategies. And TBH I don't even necessarily class wolves in that category, let alone tigers. AWDs and Dholes, those are two examples of animals that are masterfully evolved to maximise numerical advantage. They are so in tune with eachother and their movements and actions in a skirmish are connected to what their pack members are doing. So if a tiger (or whatever) is lunging towards a friend of theirs they are already biting it on the hamstrings hard, and then fleeing, while their friend simultaneously returns the favour and turns back to bite the cat on the hindquarters with urgency exactly at that time, to expertly make sure the tiger can never focus on one target. You can't just magically attribute this kind of synchronisation to a solitary predator, or even a social predator with primitive pack cohesion. It's a very highly evolved skill in it's own right. Two tigers won't know how to maximise their numerical advantage, even if they could physically do it, they won't. I'm not sure it would be enough anyway given the chasm of difference between a full grown male polar bear and a tiger. But yeah even when the animals are close-ish, just having 2 against 1 won't necessarily impact the fact that the lone animal easily has the number of both of it's assailants. I've seen a dog of mine get attacked by two dogs, one nearly as big and strong as him, the other substantial but smaller, he just literally stacked them up on top of eachother and mauled them both at the same time. That's dogs who actually DO know how to work together, but still, it's not as powerful a thing as many assume.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 15:35:42 GMT -5
Hmmmm........ Hold up. Polar Bears don't dwarf Siberian Tigers that hard. They're bigger, sure, but not as back as the photo depicts. That is probably a male polar bear from Foxe Basin, the largest polar bears at average weight. I mean, Polar Bears are bigger but not that much bigger. Polar Bears average 5 feet at the shoulder and 9 feet in length, while Siberian Tigers average 3 feet at the shoulder and 11 feet in length. If you want you can search up the heights and lengths.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Dec 29, 2022 15:47:18 GMT -5
An average modern polar bear averages roughly 440-450kg when you take all populations into account which would make him more than twice as big as an average Siberian tiger. The really big polar bears of at least 10y of age can pass 800kg on multiple occasions and their chest girths surpass the 200cm mark. So they'll make any tiger next to them look like a harmless kitten, even the prehistoric ones.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 15:47:26 GMT -5
Neither the African lion nor either the Amur or the Bengal tiger stands any chance against a full-grown boar polar bear. This is not opinion; it is a fact. This topic is a mismatch. But we do now have the topic open: "Amur tiger vs polar bear sow" which is debatable. Full-Grown male polar bear easily defeats any lion or tiger. Bear wins. ( closure )
I agree that the Polar Bear wins but this size chart is inaccurate.💀 At the shoulder, the Polar Bear is taller and it's also heavier, while the Siberian Tiger is longer. I checked the average size for male Polar Bears, and this is what i got : Shoulder height - 5 feet and body length - 9 feet. And what i got for male Siberian Tigers : Shoulder height - 3 feet and body length - 11 feet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 15:48:32 GMT -5
An average modern polar bear averages roughly 440-450kg when you take all populations into account which would make him more than twice as big as an average Siberian tiger. The really big polar bears of at least 10y of age can pass 800kg on multiple occasions and their chest girths surpass the 200cm mark. So they'll make any tiger next to them look like a harmless kitten, even the prehistoric ones. I'm talking about height and length BTW.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Dec 29, 2022 15:50:28 GMT -5
@kaijufan1789
Even when you look at height and length figures, a polar bear dwarfs any tiger. You really need to check your sources, you are saying Siberian tigers are 11ft long. This is a measurement including the tail, in terms of HBL they are much shorter than polar bears.
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 29, 2022 18:42:02 GMT -5
@kaijufan1789
Bro. You must have been mistaken as i was in my newly researching about bears. 11 ft isn't that funny for me when i heard a website stating that a lion can measure 13ft long, weigh 800kgs and can take down a man on ground with his swiging tail! Male Lions and tigers generally are 6 - 7 ft tall. And i think 6.5ft might be the average. Polar bears are just immense as i heard that males average 8ft and 450kgs (no sure).
Anyways, its good to see that we have pointed out your mistake.
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Post by brobear on Jan 4, 2023 8:44:08 GMT -5
At the request of OldGreenGrolar, and because it is simply a fact that the polar bear is way too big for any big cat, we are padlocking this topic and swallowing the key.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jan 4, 2023 21:29:06 GMT -5
The thread is still unlocked.
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Post by brobear on Jan 5, 2023 1:02:30 GMT -5
The thread is still unlocked. Thank you for the reminder... one last thing... No big cat, living or extinct, could defeat a modern polar bear (male vs male or female vs female) in better than 49% of face-to-face battles.
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