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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 5:41:33 GMT -5
Consider the big boys. A 700 pound Amur tiger in the wild, as it it commonly believed there once were up until perhaps the mid-20th century. A 1700 pound polar bear is huge but not a freak ( some grow larger ). Comparing these two predators, we only have a difference of 1,000 pounds - half-a-ton ( 454 kg ). Even an average polar bear is too much for a siberian tiger according to the chart below: Credited to Mammuthus from Carnivora. carnivora.net/showthread.php?tid=22&page=4
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 11, 2019 6:08:52 GMT -5
Consider the big boys. A 700 pound Amur tiger in the wild, as it it commonly believed there once were up until perhaps the mid-20th century. A 1700 pound polar bear is huge but not a freak ( some grow larger ). Comparing these two predators, we only have a difference of 1,000 pounds - half-a-ton ( 454 kg ). Even back then, a 700 lb Amur tiger was very rare. It was considered a freak specimen. The average was about 100 lbs more than today, (About 500 lbs). This match up is not fair guys.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 6:10:29 GMT -5
Consider the big boys. A 700 pound Amur tiger in the wild, as it it commonly believed there once were up until perhaps the mid-20th century. A 1700 pound polar bear is huge but not a freak ( some grow larger ). Comparing these two predators, we only have a difference of 1,000 pounds - half-a-ton ( 454 kg ). Even back then, a 700 lb Amur tiger was very rare. It was considered a freak specimen. The average was about 100 lbs more than today, (About 500 lbs). This match up is not fair guys.True even an average male polar bear will give a freak amur tiger a beating .
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 11, 2019 6:13:04 GMT -5
Even back then, a 700 lb Amur tiger was very rare. It was considered a freak specimen. The average was about 100 lbs more than today, (About 500 lbs). This match up is not fair guys. True even an average male polar bear will give a freak amur tiger a beating . A beating he will never forget.
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Post by brobear on Apr 11, 2019 8:35:52 GMT -5
We could stop posting here until some real events are discovered; unless you guys simply enjoy posting here. But, the results are in
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 11, 2019 9:03:08 GMT -5
We could stop posting here until some real events are discovered; unless you guys simply enjoy posting here. But, the results are in I agree.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 15, 2019 18:23:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 9:09:02 GMT -5
Even if some of the polar bears were torn and bleeding badly, a wild polar bear would still beat a wild tiger (siberian, bengal, or nepelese) one on one. Regardless, that is a good account.
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Post by brobear on Apr 17, 2019 2:21:32 GMT -5
Why is it so rare, at least rare enough that seldom is any evidence found of a grizzly displacing a mature male tiger from a carcass. It has been proven time and time again that in a fight, the mature male bear will defeat the tiger nearly every time ( statistically 100% ). The reason: Even though a mature male grizzly knows he can overpower any big cat, he also knows that in such a contest he is sure to receive painful injuries. The price is simply too high for a meal.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 17, 2019 4:16:41 GMT -5
Even if some of the polar bears were torn and bleeding badly, a wild polar bear would still beat a wild tiger (siberian, bengal, or nepelese) one on one. Regardless, that is a good account. Another thing to consider is this: even though it does not say it, the polar bears were overheated and sick. This is a general fact about polar bears in captivity.
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Post by brobear on Apr 17, 2019 4:42:46 GMT -5
Even if some of the polar bears were torn and bleeding badly, a wild polar bear would still beat a wild tiger (siberian, bengal, or nepelese) one on one. Regardless, that is a good account. Another thing to consider is this: even though it does not say it, the polar bears were overheated and sick. This is a general fact about polar bears in captivity.
Before I really started learning about bears ( going-on towards 20 years ago ) I used to think that those poor polar bears were up there freezing their butts off in that horrible cold environment. I could not have been more wrong ( wronger? ). As cold as it can be at the North Pole, polar bears do not have a problem with being too cold. Their worst problem is over-heating. While the tempts might reach -40 degrees F., the bears are seen rolling in the snow to cool off. Put a polar bear into a warmer climate, this problem is then greatly enhanced. If the temperature is above freezing, and the polar bear gets into a fight with ( in this case ) a Siberian tiger, the bear's chances of a victory depends on how fast he can defeat the big cat. If the fight carries out too long, the bear will collapse from heat exhaustion.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 17, 2019 5:03:57 GMT -5
Well yeah, -40 degress F is the average for Winters, but it can go down to -60 to or even colder. Its gets really really really cold.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 23:42:40 GMT -5
Even if some of the polar bears were torn and bleeding badly, a wild polar bear would still beat a wild tiger (siberian, bengal, or nepelese) one on one. Regardless, that is a good account. Another thing to consider is this: even though it does not say it, the polar bears were overheated and sick. This is a general fact about polar bears in captivity.
There are many who claim polar bears to be poor fighters because of their tendency to overheat. However, the captive polar bears still put up a good fight with the tigers not to mention a captive female polar bear killed two lions. This shows polar bears are actually doing 'pretty well' even though they don't reach their maximum size and weight in captivity. I am still unable to find the account of a captive polar bear which killed a tiger and died ( not because of the wounds but because of overheating).
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 18, 2019 4:10:08 GMT -5
Another thing to consider is this: even though it does not say it, the polar bears were overheated and sick. This is a general fact about polar bears in captivity.
There are many who claim polar bears to be poor fighters because of their tendency to overheat. However, the captive polar bears still put up a good fight with the tigers not to mention a captive female polar bear killed two lions. This shows polar bears are actually doing 'pretty well' even though they don't reach their maximum size and weight in captivity. I am still unable to find the account of a captive polar bear which killed a tiger and died ( not because of the wounds but because of overheating). So you have really seen that account? I would really love to see it as we have zero accounts of polar bears killing tigers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 4:33:49 GMT -5
No I have heard about that account from Big bons but I am about at least 90% sure it will confirm our opinions on this topic.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Sept 13, 2019 9:04:58 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Sept 27, 2019 8:43:37 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Sept 27, 2019 8:49:33 GMT -5
Although this polar bear is one of the largest (that is not in the wild but in captivity). Polar bears don't grow that big in captivity during that time because during the time this newspaper was made. This is not only because the polar bears were out of their natural environment but they were also poorly kept as the Animal Rights Welfare did not exist at that time. Polar bears in captivity today are bigger because they are better kept due to the Animal Rights Welfare and because some are taken out directly from the wild.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 27, 2019 16:51:23 GMT -5
Sounds to me like it was a great fight. Both were mortally wounded. The handlers killed the polar bear. We dont know if the tiger survived or not. Even though it does not say it, it does not have to because its a general fact that polar bears overheat, get sick, weak, and demented in captivity. Some reports are above in this thread. So a sick polar bear almost won against a tiger. The crowd was not happy with the decision anyways.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Sept 28, 2019 6:23:55 GMT -5
A sick polar effected by the environment again. I seriously doubt the polar bear which fled at the back of the cage is a large male.
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