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Post by brobear on Feb 8, 2019 4:12:32 GMT -5
600 centimeters is equal to 19.69 feet 632 centimeters is equal to 20.73 feet 1900 kilograms is equal to 4,188.78 pounds (avoirdupois) 1360 kilograms is equal to 2,998.29 pounds (avoirdupois) So, what advantage does the crocodile have against the heavier shark? AGILITY.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 8, 2019 5:56:37 GMT -5
But, could a big boar grizzly kill a huge crocodile on dry land?
On land, i dont see why not. Its possible but very unlikely. The bear can get on top, avoid the crocs mouth, and do some damage with its long claws.
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Post by brobear on Feb 8, 2019 6:19:52 GMT -5
But, could a big boar grizzly kill a huge crocodile on dry land? On land, i dont see why not. Its possible but very unlikely. The bear can get on top, avoid the crocs mouth, and do some damage with its long claws. Yes, I agree that a big grizzly could climb up onto the crocodile's back and... he would probably go for the base of the neck with his jaws. Of course, the croc is not going to lie still and there would be a struggle. IMO - 50-50. But realistically, the bear would avoid such a risky prize.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 8, 2019 6:58:01 GMT -5
Yeah 50/50 would be a good estimation for this match up.
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Post by brobear on Mar 21, 2019 8:50:24 GMT -5
Bear ( any species ) vs Nile Crocodile, Saltwater Crocodile, Alligator, or any other crocodilian.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 9:00:56 GMT -5
Bear ( any species ) vs Nile Crocodile, Saltwater Crocodile, Alligator, or any other crocodilian. Wonder how a one tonne cave bear would do against a one tonne croc boss.
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Post by brobear on Mar 21, 2019 10:58:29 GMT -5
In reality, in having a fairly keen sense of how bears do things, I just can't see a bear attacking a huge crocodile. Cave bears were vegetarian, so he would have absolutely no reason to risk his life. Even a huge 1,000 pound grizzly would stay clear of that monster. As for the bear's ability ( should this astonishing face-off take place ) a big grizzly would probably fare better than a cave bear ( more nimble ). Of all the bears, perhaps the polar bear might be best suited to tackle a crocodile. In a crazy-sort-of-way, similar to fighting a big walrus. ( on land ).
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 21, 2019 11:54:39 GMT -5
Suppose a cave bear goes out of the cave and goes by a river or lake, and a croc pops out and attacks the bear, then a fight happens on land. A cave bear with all his weight and bulk can trample the croc. On land the croc’s movility is reduced. This here in an actual quote.....
“Being herbivorous, the cave bears wouldn't have scavenged the bodies of any lions they killed.
Instead they would have just trampled them into the cave floor, leaving the evidence we see today of these titanic struggles.”
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Post by brobear on Mar 21, 2019 12:14:57 GMT -5
A huge crocodile, unseen beneath the water, can see the bear. As the cave bear reaches his head down for a drink, the crocodile lunges upward and forward, at lightning-speed, and has the bears huge head in his crushing jaws. The croc then drags the struggling bear down beneath the surface. Horrible ending for the big impressive vegetarian bear. *Note: this is the most common method of ambush used by crocs.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 21, 2019 12:22:18 GMT -5
Yeah absolutely brobear, that would be the scenario if the croc ambushed the cave bear. But that would not be a fight either. Remember we are talking about a face to face fight, the bear well aware of the crocs presence and supposing that the croc attacks and a fight happens on land.
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Post by brobear on Mar 21, 2019 12:26:04 GMT -5
Yeah absolutely brobear, that would be the scenario if the croc ambushed the cave bear. But that would not be a fight either. Remember we are talking about a face to face fight, the bear well aware of the crocs presence and supposing that the croc attacks and a fight happens on land.
In a face-to-face confrontation between a huge bear and a huge crcodile.... I give the bear a 50-50
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Post by tom on Mar 21, 2019 13:08:19 GMT -5
Would this be a confrontation on land or water?
A 17 ft. Salty vs a 1000 lb. Brown Bear on land would be an interesting tussle.... I'm afraid in the water the Bear is doomed.
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Post by brobear on Mar 21, 2019 15:44:13 GMT -5
Would this be a confrontation on land or water? A 17 ft. Salty vs a 1000 lb. Brown Bear on land would be an interesting tussle.... I'm afraid in the water the Bear is doomed. I agree. On land I give them a 50-50, and that is guessing. I'm not sure how many bears would die before they fully realize the power in those crocodile jaws. But once they have each other figured out ( crocodiles are not stupid animals either ) I give them each a 50-50. In water deeper than two feet; crocodile 100%. ( IMO ).
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Post by tom on Mar 21, 2019 16:10:06 GMT -5
Should we break down how a battle on land would hypothetically take place? Lets set the scene. Croc is sunning himself on the shoreline and Brown Bear is strolling along the beach and comes upon the Croc.
Pluses for the Croc:
Even a large Croc can be deceptively fast on land. They can thrust fore and aft as well as laterally with power and quickness if threatened or angered. IMO the crocs biggest weapon besides his jaws comes from his tail. a 17 ft. Salty has a large tail that I would guess could inflict serious damage to what ever it contacts if thrust quickly from side to side. If he catches the bear on a leg it possibly could cripple the bear. Swinging that large head if he gets a hold of the Bear and clamps down, well.... that is some SERIOUS bite force working for him. Getting a hold of a leg and the Bear could be in trouble.
Pluses for the Bear:
A 1000 lb Brown Bear is a brute and I mean he has the size and girth to inflict massive wounds with those 4 inch claws. The question being is it enough to penetrate the thick leathery skin of the Croc? IMO if the Bear goes all in and is not intimidated, he has a good chance if he can pin the Croc down with his great weight. But he will have to be aware of the tail and the lethal jaws. If he can get on top and this is a big IF, he can start pulverizing the Croc about the head with sledge hammer blows while his claws rip into the Crocs hide. If can do this he stands a slightly better than 50-50 chance IMO. But... that's a big if and the Croc will have something to say about that.
An even better plus for the Bear is if he could somehow flip the croc over on his back and tear into it's soft under belly. If he can do that, then the Croc is finished.
Anyone have a different scenario?
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 21, 2019 16:17:34 GMT -5
Yeah absolutely brobear, that would be the scenario if the croc ambushed the cave bear. But that would not be a fight either. Remember we are talking about a face to face fight, the bear well aware of the crocs presence and supposing that the croc attacks and a fight happens on land.
In a face-to-face confrontation between a huge bear and a huge crcodile.... I give the bear a 50-50 Yeah i can definatly agree there. 50% for me also.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 21, 2019 16:29:55 GMT -5
Ok here we have animal face-off. They matched a 1100 lb American alligator with a 600 lb black bear. Like Brobear said, the gator attacked the bear by ambush, then he regret it. Another advantage for the bear is the intelligence, reptiles have the brain the size of a walnut. Also, like Tom said, the gator tried to escape so he showed his soft underbelly, so the bear cracked it open. I know its not a saltwater croc, but its still a much larger reptile than the bear.
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Post by tom on Mar 21, 2019 16:37:42 GMT -5
Later Gator ...
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 21, 2019 16:42:10 GMT -5
Later Gator ... Yeah, ha ha. The thing is in that recreation, the gator attacked by ambush, but not the head of the bear, he grabbed the leg, so it was just fat and fur, did not hurt the bear alot, gave the bear a chance to fight back.
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 21, 2019 20:16:49 GMT -5
Im a fan of crocodiles too but I have to give this win to the bear. Bear wins 70% on land.
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Post by brobear on Mar 21, 2019 23:06:06 GMT -5
Im a fan of crocodiles too but I have to give this win to the bear. Bear wins 70% on land. Who wins and who loses has nothing to do with being a fan. I've seen personally just how quick a gator can be. If I were to witness such a clash, sure I'd be cheering for the bear. But in my heart, I'd know that either one might be victorious. Neither adversary is a joke to the other. I will add: In a bear vs gator fight, size matters. If either has a considerable size/weight advantage, then the larger opponent has the upper hand.
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