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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 17:47:04 GMT -5
How well do any of you think a 700 Black bear vs 1,650 lb pound Nile crocodile? Give me your thoughts on how this fight would go and who would win?
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 22, 2018 18:12:51 GMT -5
Well, I think it depends, on water the croc will always win. Now on land the black bear will basically always win. The black bear is smarter, the croc has alot more bite force. animal faceoff already did black bear vs american alligator, they had the black bear as the winner. I think it would be pretty much the same vs nile croc.
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Post by brobear on Sept 23, 2018 3:01:38 GMT -5
I watched a nature documentary about the Florida Everglades probably about 15 years ago. The Lady/park ranger told of watching a big black bear as he walked from the surrounding woods to cross a body of water. As he was swimming, a huge alligator grabs him and pulls him under. As the water was churning, the ranger thought to herself, "...the loss of a beautiful black bear." But to her surprise, the bear plopped-up like a cork and continued swimming to the opposite bank. When he walked out of the water, the ranger noticed no blood or ill effects on the bear or the way he walked. Then, after a while, the alligator drags himself out of the water. He is all cut-up from the bear's claws. Now, with this said, a Nile crocodile has ( according to test results ) a stronger bite-force than even a salty. He is bigger and meaner than a gator.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 23, 2018 5:21:37 GMT -5
Wow nice, so that means the black bear probably won that fight correct.
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Post by brobear on Sept 23, 2018 5:40:59 GMT -5
Wow nice, so that means the black bear probably won that fight correct. The black bear proved that while the alligator is the greatest predator in the swamp, he is not the king. Like the grizzly, a black bear is a part-time predator though much less so than a grizzly. Outside of the human-factor, a full-grown black bear has no natural enemies where the grizzly is absent.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 23, 2018 5:48:23 GMT -5
Totally yes. I cant believe that alligator pulled that black bear underwater and the bear still escaped, that is just incredible. so maybe the bear can win some fights on water also. Though i think the alligator or croc will still win most times on water.
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Post by brobear on Sept 23, 2018 6:00:39 GMT -5
Totally yes. I cant believe that alligator pulled that black bear underwater and the bear still escaped, that is just incredible. so maybe the bear can win some fights on water also. Though i think the alligator or croc will still win most times on water. Kodoak, this fight took place in the middle of a pond-sized body of water... under water... and the bear defeated the gator by using his sharp claws. This by no stretch of the imagination means that a black bear can defeat a Nile crocodile.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 23, 2018 6:07:09 GMT -5
Right i see. On water no way.
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Post by tom on Sept 23, 2018 10:02:27 GMT -5
How well do any of you think a 700 Black bear vs 1,650 lb pound Nile crocodile? Give me your thoughts on how this fight would go and who would win? A 700 lb Black Bear??
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Post by brobear on Sept 23, 2018 10:35:30 GMT -5
I consider the Nile crocodile as Africa's top predator with the lion running a close second. A big crocodile can take a carcass from a pride of lions on dry-earth. I watched ( documentary ) two crocodiles pulled a huge bull white rhino into a river. 700 pounds is pushing near the size limit for a black bear, but that's OK. ( IMO ), no black bear would come out on top in a fight with a 1000+ pound crocodile - especially a Nile. It is a very close race for the world's biggest crocodile species: Australian salty or African Nile. I believe that the Nile is the most "bad-ass". Interestingly... it is also a close race for the biggest rhinoceros species: African white rhino or Great Indian one-horned rhino.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 11:00:07 GMT -5
I watched a nature documentary about the Florida Everglades probably about 15 years ago. The Lady/park ranger told of watching a big black bear as he walked from the surrounding woods to cross a body of water. As he was swimming, a huge alligator grabs him and pulls him under. As the water was churning, the ranger thought to herself, "...the loss of a beautiful black bear." But to her surprise, the bear plopped-up like a cork and continued swimming to the opposite bank. When he walked out of the water, the ranger noticed no blood or ill effects on the bear or the way he walked. Then, after a while, the alligator drags himself out of the water. He is all cut-up from the bear's claws. Now, with this said, a Nile crocodile has ( according to test results ) a stronger bite-force than even a salty. He is bigger and meaner than a gator. Epic story man. I really like this one. I never knew that a nile crocodile had a stronger bite than a saltwater crocodile. I always assumed that a saltwater had a stronger bite due to it's bigger size.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 11:02:57 GMT -5
How well do any of you think a 700 Black bear vs 1,650 lb pound Nile crocodile? Give me your thoughts on how this fight would go and who would win? A 700 lb Black Bear?? On wiki it says this. The biggest wild American black bear ever recorded was a male from New Brunswick, shot in November 1972, that weighed 409 kg (902 lb) after it had been dressed, meaning it weighed an estimated 500 kg (1,100 lb) in life, and measured 2.41 m (7.9 ft) long.[46] Another notably outsized wild black bear, weighing in at 408 kg (899 lb) in total, was the cattle-killer shot in December 1921 on the Moqui Reservation in Arizona.[46] The record-sized bear from New Jersey was shot in Morris County December 2011 and scaled 376.5 kg (830 lb).[47] Even larger, the most massive black bear recorded in Pennsylvania (one of six weighing over 363 kg (800 lb) shot in the last 15 years in the state) weighed in at 399 kg (880 lb) and was shot in November 2010 in Pike County.[48] The North American Bear Center, located in Ely, Minnesota, is home to the world's largest captive male and female black bears. Ted, the male, weighed 431–453.5 kg (950–1,000 lb) in the fall of 2006.[49] Honey, the female, weighed 219.6 kg (484 lb) in the fall of 2007.[50]
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 11:06:33 GMT -5
I consider the Nile crocodile as Africa's top predator with the lion running a close second. A big crocodile can take a carcass from a pride of lions on dry-earth. I watched ( documentary ) two crocodiles pulled a huge bull white rhino into a river. 700 pounds is pushing near the size limit for a black bear, but that's OK. ( IMO ), no black bear would come out on top in a fight with a 1000+ pound crocodile - especially a Nile. It is a very close race for the world's biggest crocodile species: Australian salty or African Nile. I believe that the Nile is the most "bad-ass". Interestingly... it is also a close race for the biggest rhinoceros species: African white rhino or Great Indian one-horned rhino. You're right I don't think a black bear would fair too well against a nile crocodile either. I think a brown bear of significant size would do much better due to the build and more robust body. I also put the crocodile above the lion as well in terms of Africa top predator.
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Post by brobear on Sept 23, 2018 11:08:38 GMT -5
We can never be certain about bite-force testing. ( I truly believe the hyena is much higher ), but here is a sample: listverse.com/2012/11/05/top-10-animal-bites-that-will-completely-destroy-you/
10 - Lion - 600 psi.
9 - Tiger - 1050 psi.
8 - Spotted Hyena - 1100 psi.
7 - Grizzly - 1200 psi.
6 - Gorilla - 1300 psi.
5 - Hippo - 1821 psi.
4 - Jaguar - 2000 psi.
3 - Alligator - 2125 psi.
2 - Saltwater Crocodile - 3700 psi.
1 - Nile Crocodile - 5000 psi.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 11:15:02 GMT -5
We can never be certain about bite-force testing. ( I truly believe the hyena is much higher ), but here is a sample: listverse.com/2012/11/05/top-10-animal-bites-that-will-completely-destroy-you/ 10 - Lion - 600 psi. 9 - Tiger - 1050 psi. 8 - Spotted Hyena - 1100 psi. 7 - Grizzly - 1200 psi. 6 - Gorilla - 1300 psi. 5 - Hippo - 1821 psi. 4 - Jaguar - 2000 psi. 3 - Alligator - 2125 psi. 2 - Saltwater Crocodile - 3700 psi. 1 - Nile Crocodile - 5000 psi. What about the kodiak brown bear? Shouldn't this bear have a stronger bite than the grizzly due to it's size?
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Post by tom on Sept 23, 2018 12:00:12 GMT -5
A 700 lb Black Bear?? On wiki it says this. The biggest wild American black bear ever recorded was a male from New Brunswick, shot in November 1972, that weighed 409 kg (902 lb) after it had been dressed, meaning it weighed an estimated 500 kg (1,100 lb) in life, and measured 2.41 m (7.9 ft) long.[46] Another notably outsized wild black bear, weighing in at 408 kg (899 lb) in total, was the cattle-killer shot in December 1921 on the Moqui Reservation in Arizona.[46] The record-sized bear from New Jersey was shot in Morris County December 2011 and scaled 376.5 kg (830 lb).[47] Even larger, the most massive black bear recorded in Pennsylvania (one of six weighing over 363 kg (800 lb) shot in the last 15 years in the state) weighed in at 399 kg (880 lb) and was shot in November 2010 in Pike County.[48] The North American Bear Center, located in Ely, Minnesota, is home to the world's largest captive male and female black bears. Ted, the male, weighed 431–453.5 kg (950–1,000 lb) in the fall of 2006.[49] Honey, the female, weighed 219.6 kg (484 lb) in the fall of 2007.[50] That's one big Blacky. A 500 pound boar is huge and normally those are not overly common except maybe Canada or Alaska. A 400 pound boar Blacky would be considered very big for Minnesota.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 12:12:26 GMT -5
That's one big Blacky. A 500 pound boar is huge and normally those are not overly common except maybe Canada or Alaska. A 400 pound boar Blacky would be considered very big for Minnesota. I agree black bears of this magnitude are not very common at all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 2:06:41 GMT -5
How well do any of you think a 700 Black bear vs 1,650 lb pound Nile crocodile? Give me your thoughts on how this fight would go and who would win? A 700 lb Black Bear?? Most black bears reach 400 to 500 pounds as their upper range limit. The queen charlotte's balck bear reaches 600 pounds and there was an account of an 800 pound black bear killing an african lion so it is possible for a black bear to weigh 700 pounds (just as rare as a 1760 pound polar bear I guess). Anyway, a nile crocordile is much larger than an aligator.
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Post by brobear on Dec 22, 2018 7:57:26 GMT -5
To start with, I wouldn't put too much faith in these or any bite-force testing. Needless to say, crocodilians ( all ) have the strongest bite-force of living animals according to the size of the crocodilian. With that said, a Nile crocodile is bigger and much more ferocious than an alligator. Black bears would have to learn to avoid them. *Note: see topic: Bears Surviving in Africa".
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Post by brobear on Feb 8, 2019 3:51:34 GMT -5
Over on "Carnivora" Black Ice posted an interesting report on Great White Shark confrontations with Saltwater Crocodiles. Interestingly, in nearly every encounter, the crocodile defeats the shark but neither great predator is killed. In 90% of encounters, the crocodile wins. In deep water, a grizzly would stand zero chance against either opponent. But, could a big boar grizzly kill a huge crocodile on dry land?
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