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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 31, 2020 9:16:23 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Jul 31, 2020 10:07:09 GMT -5
Damn that is a great find there GreenArtos, i read the top and look what is says, the bear is the master of the Russian forest.
THE MASTER OF THE TAIGA: THE CULT OF THE BEAR AMONG THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES OF SIBERIA
Not only Siberian peoples considered the bear to be the Master of the Taiga, but namely Siberians turned their attitude to the bear into a cult. Moreover, this cult played an important role in the rites of hunting magic and everyday life.
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Post by brobear on Dec 11, 2020 15:41:56 GMT -5
By Shadow: wildfact.com/forum/topic-russian-brown-bears?pid=135206#pid135206 This is one site and interesting article from 2008 which I noticed. When opening the link it´s in Russian so translator is needed when reading it. The person who wrote this article is: OLGA VLADIMIROVNA KUVYKINA biologist , winner of the "Book of the Year" award (2010, for the book "Letters of Insects") graduate of the Faculty of Biology, Moscow State University M.V. Lomonosov journalist, author of popular science articles and books WWF supporter Research interests: palynology, allergology, higher plants, endemics, nature conservation, regional studies, mythology Article is: "Meeting with a bear The shaggy "master of the taiga" has a moody temper, and his behavior is unpredictable." One interesting quote how she sees brown bears of her homeland: "Aggressiveness of bears depends on their habitat - for example, Caucasian and Central Russian bears are considered peaceful. Biologists have more than once shared with me their stories of how they encountered bears feeding in raspberry or hogweed bushes, and peacefully dispersed. Bears in Kamchatka are also relatively calm, if the year turned out to be fruitful for berries, nuts and fish. The most "vicious" bears are found in the Siberian taiga , but even here it all depends on the case - each toptygin has its own character. If the bear is scared, hungry or has a toothache, he will attack a person. Himalayan bears try to avoid meeting people, but if this happens, they rush to the person in fright. The bear does not feel reverence for man as a being of a "higher order" and treats him approximately like a tiger. Some brown bears are enraged by one kind of people and, when they meet, they may even start throwing stones, especially if, having climbed some hill, they see a person below. Mostly large males are distinguished by such antics - they are generally “infernal” creatures, on occasion they will not disdain to pick up and eat a smaller young bear or a cub. " Whole article is interesting to read: www.vokrugsveta.ru/telegraph/theory/569/
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 11, 2020 15:58:31 GMT -5
Reply #2
Wow, wow, wow, what an awesome post by Shadow brobear! Its great that you saw it!
So this is an actual Russian Biologist calling the Ussuri brown bear the "master of the taiga".
What a find bro! We even have the actual source where she said that! Guess that description does not go to the tiger, hehehehehe. We need to celebrate this really. Its not everyday we get a new biologist quote like this.
USSURI BROWN BEAR MASTER OF THE TAIGA
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Post by brobear on Dec 12, 2020 6:47:23 GMT -5
Reply #65 continued - More from Shadow: wildfact.com/forum/topic-russian-brown-bears?pid=135219#pid135219 This is one site and interesting article from 2008 which I noticed. When opening the link it´s in Russian so translator is needed when reading it. The person who wrote this article is: OLGA VLADIMIROVNA KUVYKINA - biologist. One interesting part from that same article above. Quote: "As a typical example of human stupidity, I will cite the Kamchatka story from Mikhail Krechmar, a biologist, hunting expert, a great connoisseur of bears and the author of the most interesting book "The Shaggy God": Suddenly, the lookout saw a bear swimming across the river near the ship. “Guys, bear,” he shouted. At first they did not understand him. Say, what a house. But having heard what was happening, the crew made a courageous decision - to take the bear on a ram. The unfortunate beast was spinning like a top in the water, trying to avoid the blow, but when the bulk of the nose hung right over him, he radically changed his tactics. He turned around, caught his claws on the fender hanging above the water and climbed onto the deck like a cat. With one blow of his paw, he broke the fire hook in the hands of the boatswain in half, with the next blow knocked the boatswain down from his feet and remained the only owner of the ship. The rest of the crew, seeing the decisiveness of the beast, chose to disembark right in the middle of the river. The barge that lost control hit the shore, and the bear, jumping over the side, disappeared into the forest, into which he was so eager. In this case, there were no casualties, although it usually happens otherwise. Confirmation of this is the numerous deaths of photographers who got too close to the bears. More such photographers have died than from the paws of tigers or shark teeth. Probably, you have also seen the photographs of Vitaly Nikolaenko, Michio Hoshimo and other photographers, where the bears are captured almost point-blank. "
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Post by brobear on Dec 12, 2020 6:50:35 GMT -5
This is a picture, which is said to be from that book ( The Shaggy God ), nicely drawn:
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Post by brobear on Dec 12, 2020 7:00:35 GMT -5
Again; more from Shadow: One interesting article of bears in Russia from August 2018. ilim24.ru/news/21116.html Again in Russian language so most need to use translator. Interesting article to read, some quotes of dangers with bears. "The recent accident, in which a 62-year-old resident of the village of Tubinsky became a victim of a bear, is very indicative. Recall that the body of a man with traces of the impact of bear paws was found near the Tushama station on July 12. According to the original version, the man was collecting honeysuckle when he was attacked by a bear. In search of the club-footed killer, a group of specialists went to the area of the incident, which, after examining the territory, came to the conclusion that the deceased was illegal hunting for brown. ( read more at: wildfact.com/forum/topic-russian-brown-bears?pid=135219#pid135219 ( post #117 ) "The owner of the taiga is a bear, not a man"
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Post by brobear on Dec 12, 2020 10:13:38 GMT -5
From Shadow: wildfact.com/forum/topic-russian-brown-bears?pid=135247#pid135247 This is one interesting article from Russia. This is about it how bears were seen in past and also about mythology concerning bears. Very interesting to read how people saw animals back then, when vast forests had more animals than people. Quotes: "THE MASTER OF THE TAIGA: THE CULT OF THE BEAR AMONG THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES OF SIBERIA Not only Siberian peoples considered the bear to be the Master of the Taiga, but namely Siberians turned their attitude to the bear into a cult. Moreover, this cult played an important role in the rites of hunting magic and everyday life." "Evenki living in Transbaikalia and Amur Region call themselves “Orochons” and have the most serious and multi-layered cult of the bear. It is believed that every Orochon hunter is allowed to kill a strictly defined number of bears that cannot be exceeded. If this happened, the hunter would forfeit his life. Hence the sacred mystical awe of the Evenks before the Master of the Taiga. In this respect, the story of the Evenki hunter Aleksandr Erdyneevich Stepanov is indicative; it was recorded during one of the ethnographic expeditions: “If you catch a bear, you have to apologize. You should say that you are sorry, but you just needed some fat or something else. Indeed, the fat is curative. Earlier Evenks used to hunt bears for the sake of fat, they didn’t eat so much meat, only took fat and bile. Of course, before they killed the animal, they prayed and sprinkled some vodka or milk. They asked for permission of the burkhan (spirit), saying: “Nandikan, allow us to take the bear, not the Master himself, but an ordinary bear”. After they killed the bear, they dressed his body; they had to say that they were not really dressing the body, only ants were tickling the bear. When they finished and took everything they needed and buried the meat, then they had to put a branch in the dead animal’s mouth, tie it up, then place the head on a tree, so that the animal’s spirit would not chase them”.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 12, 2020 13:05:29 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 13, 2020 10:25:13 GMT -5
Damn wow....look at this thread, i thought the tiger was regarded as the "master of the taiga", guess not boys. Another post from Shadow, now the bear is also regarded as:
"THE OWNER OF THE TAIGA"
Quote: The owner of the taiga "was the boss" in the hut of the Sayano-Shushensky nature reserve The automatic photo recorders of the Sayano-Shushensky nature reserve were caught by a bear, which is ravaging a hut along the Sinyaya River. The incident happened back in August last year. The animal behaves in a businesslike, bold and confident manner. The footage shows that the bear approaches the hut from around the corner, looks around and heads for the door. Having risen on its hind legs, the clubfoot opens the door and goes inside. Then he comes out with a newspaper in his teeth, tears it up and goes back to the hut. Then he leaves without finding anything. “A couple of weeks later, another bear came to the same hut. First, the beast licked the camera lens, and when he saw the open door, he decided to look inside. But, unfortunately, his friend had already been there, and there was nothing much to smash. Then the bear decided to stand on a bench near the hut and look on the roof in search of something needed. But even there nothing suitable seemed, and the animal went away, ”said the staff of the reserve on their Vkontakte page. According to them, bears have always visited huts and, apparently, will continue to do so. After all, clubfoots are attracted primarily by unfamiliar pungent smells and smells of food, against which the animals cannot resist, such is the bearish disposition.
"Putting things in order" in forest huts is a common bearish habit. The beast climbs into the hut through a door or window, and practically turns everything upside down. Bears easily find food supplies, which are usually suspended from the ceiling, bite cans of canned food with their teeth, sprinkle cereals, and spill vegetable oil. This beast is able to break the simple taiga furniture present in the huts - bunks, tables, shelves on the walls, - say the workers of the Sayano-Shushensky Reserve. Video footage and article
krsk.aif.ru/society/hozyain_taygi_pohozyaynichal_v_izbushke_sayano-shushenskogo_zapovednika
Video also on youtube:
wildfact.com/forum/topic-russian-brown-bears?pid=135368#pid135368
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 13, 2020 14:38:42 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Dec 13, 2020 22:50:05 GMT -5
wildfact.com/forum/topic-russian-brown-bears?pid=135408#pid135408 Shadow says: One bear myth from Siberia, I find these interesting to read how native people have seen animals and what kind of stories there are. Quote: The legend of the master of the taiga The folktales of Central Siberian indigenous peoples depict the bear as a strong beast whose wrath is to be reckoned with, in spite of its kind heart and wisdom. Evenki children adore the tale about Grandpa Amaka – that's their name for the bear – and the chipmunk. Spring came to the taiga. The bear had spent the entire winter sleeping in his den, but the spring brought the sun, and the den started to thaw. The bear woke up. He went out into the woods, feeling very hungry, as he hadn't eaten anything all winter. The bear tried looking for food, but he couldn't find anything. So he became angry and gripped a tree stump with his paws, trying to pull it out. However, he was too weak to do it. A chipmunk jumped out from under the stump. "Amaka, why are you so angry?" "I'm starving. Do you have any food to spare?" "I can find some," replied the chipmunk and treated the bear to sweet roots and nuts from his autumn stocks. The grateful bear stroked the tiny chipmunk with his clawed paw, and that is how chipmunks got black stripes on their backs. From here some more and some photos: www.rbth.com/travel/2017/01/17/5-tales-of-siberias-indigenous-peoples_682578
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Post by brobear on Dec 14, 2020 9:09:20 GMT -5
www.rbth.com/travel/2014/04/09/the_master_of_taiga The master of the taiga: the perils of life where the brown bears roam free. The brown bear – a symbol not only of Siberia but the whole of Russia – is not listed in the Red Book as an endangered species and is not threatened with extinction like the snow leopard. However, it comes out of the forest and into cities and towns, towards humans, thus confirming the common myths about Siberia. ( read more on site provided ).
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Post by brobear on Dec 14, 2020 9:14:46 GMT -5
www.rt.com/news/kemerovo-siberia-taiga-bear/ Taiga is the law, bear is the master. Just a four-hour flight from Moscow to western Siberia is the picturesque Kemerovo Region. A land renowned for its industrial history and rich cultural roots, and where bears really are a man's best friend. Brown bears can be furry and cute. They may be, but do not be fooled by their looks: they are wild animals with all that implies. In the Kemerovo Region bears really do wander the streets and drink vodka, and even munch on the odd cigarette – if offered. Shocking to most, bear owner Viktor Kirpichnikov, says he acts only out of love. “These bears are my life. And it’s for their own good I don’t set them free as they wouldn’t know how to cope in the wild. Their mother was killed by hunters when they were just a few months old. We rescued them,” he explained. But for those who prefer their animals roaming free, there is a whole other world to discover in Russia’s Kemerovo region. Five hours’ drive from the city and you enter a mountainous winter wonderland. The taiga forest stretches for as far as the eye can see, and the history is as thick and rich as its carpet of snow. Long before the Russians came in the 17th Century, this region was a tapestry of different nomadic tribes. Ancient traces of a bygone age suggest life here began thousands years ago in the Bronze Age. In some of Kemerovo’s more remote villages, people still live a traditional hunter and gatherer way of life. ( more to read on site provided ).
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 14, 2020 9:22:56 GMT -5
Awesome find brobear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 14, 2020 11:37:04 GMT -5
More from Shadow! Holy cow!
wildfact.com/forum/topic-russian-brown-bears?pid=135424#pid135424
More about indigenous people of Siberia and far east parts of Russia (Including Korea and northeast areas of China too) and their relationship to the bear.
Quote:
"Man and Nature in Archaic Religion: Honoring the Bear
In almost all regions of the planet where bears have ever lived, this animal occupied a very special place in the religious and mythological concepts of hunters.
The worship of the bear goes back to ancient times. Its origins are found in Paleolithic cave sanctuaries , for example, Chauvet and Montespan. In archaeological sites on the territory of the Cis-Urals and Western Siberia since the 7th century. BC. and up to the XII century. AD metal items with the image of a bear are widespread: plaques-decorations ( Plaque - a bear. Khanty. Khanty-Mansiysk national district ), hollow figurines-pierced beads ( Pronizka-bear. Khanty. Tyumen oblast, X-XII centuries ) and other items.
For the peoples of Siberia and the Far East (Khanty and Mansi, Evenks, Kets, Nanai, Ulchi, Negidal, Oroch, Nivkh, Ainu), the bear is one of the most important characters with which numerous rituals and beliefs were associated.
People often saw the master of the taiga in the form of a bear (Spirit-MASTER OF THE TAIGA. Nanaitsy. Khabarovsk Territory, XX century ). It was believed that he gives hunters prey, sends and heals diseases ( Buyu-Dilin - the head of a bear. Ulchi. Khabarovsk Territory, XX century ), punishes people for violating religious rules and prohibitions ( Duente - the spirit master of the taiga. Nanaitsy, XX century . ).
Hunting rules related to the catch of a bear and butchering of its carcass were strictly observed. In honor of the bear killed during the hunt, a holiday was necessarily arranged.
The Ob Ugrians have widely known an oath on a bear's paw, skin, head ( Bear Claw. Khanty. Khanty-Mansi national okru, early XX century ). It was assumed that the bear would punish the false oath. In order to protect against misfortune and disease, a bear skull was kept in the dwelling, over the children's cradle ( Bear. Nivkhi. Amur Territory, XIX - early XX centuries ), a paw or claws of a bear was hung ( Bear paw. Evenki. Evenk National District, early XX centuries ).
The bear was often viewed as the ancestor of certain human collectives. Many groups of Evenks trace their origins to the bear, and at present the Evenki consider the bear to be the ancestor of the entire Evenk people.
The bear could be both one of the shaman's helper spirits and his twin beast. Shamans, who during the ritual were reincarnated into a bear, were considered the strongest among the Kets. Among the Nganasan shamans, the bear played the role of a guide to the spirit world.
Text from
www.gmir.ru/exposition/vera/vera_sibir/?action=show&category=148&id=2938
THE BEAR THE MASTER OF THE TAIGA
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Post by tom on Dec 14, 2020 17:34:29 GMT -5
I'm assuming Shadow knows about the Domain of the Bears?
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Post by brobear on Dec 14, 2020 17:42:53 GMT -5
I'm assuming Shadow knows about the Domain of the Bears? He used to post here. I'm sure he checks us out. Should he have any problems with our "stealing his work", I will have no problems deleting and offering an apology. What I would really like is his return to the Domain.
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Post by tom on Dec 14, 2020 17:52:15 GMT -5
I wouldn't think anything posted on Wildfact from a members own words is copywrite protected. I don't know that for certain, but I doubt it. Now.... if those are not his words and he stole them from a website that has copywrite protection then yes it is illegal. Copywrite infringement is rarely pursued as it would be an undaunting task to track down the perpetrators.
I will say this..... if you respect Shadow can you contact him and ask his permission. Even though you legally may not need it, it might be respectful and he may even thank you???
By the way, did he go by the name Shadow here? and why is he no longer here?
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Post by brobear on Dec 14, 2020 17:57:34 GMT -5
I wouldn't think anything posted on Wildfact from a members own words is copywrite protected. I don't know that for certain, but I doubt it. Now.... if those are not his words and he stole them from a website that has copywrite protection then yes it is illegal. Copywrite infringement is rarely pursued as it would be an undaunting task to track down the perpetrators. I will say this..... if you respect Shadow can you contact him and ask his permission. Even though you legally may not need it, it might be respectful and he may even thank you??? By the way, did he go by the name Shadow here? and why is he no longer here? Oh, I wasn't concerned about copywrite from Wildfact. And I believe Shadow would be alright with us "stealing" from his discoveries. I can't sign in at Wildfact. They're system has issues if you're ever off for any length of time.
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