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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 7, 2021 15:24:22 GMT -5
Of course there was tigers in Siberia, hence the name "Siberian tigers", lmao. And there were alot more tigers in Siberia when the Nanai people thought the bear was the lord. As well as every other account, they all say master of the Taiga (forest), what? There are no tigers in the forest? Ha ha ha.
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 13, 2021 1:45:03 GMT -5
This topic is over. Bear has won the title. However, we can add if we find more.
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Post by brobear on Apr 6, 2022 2:25:59 GMT -5
*Reality Check: there is no true 'THE MASTER OF THE TAIGA' 1- Of all the predators of the Russian taiga, all of the large herbivores most fear the tiger. He is a full-time hunter who depends on animal flesh for his own survival. When comparing the tiger to the brown bear, far more bears are killed by tigers than the other way around. 2- Among the brown bears, only the adult male is safe from hungry tigers. During his adolescent years, a male brown bear must be forever wary of both tigers and adult male members of his own species. 3- While the adult male brown bear is stronger than the adult male tiger, the tiger does not live in fear of the bear. His keen senses, especially his acute eyesight and hearing, provide the tiger with the ability to easily avoid the bear. 4- The adult male brown bear can and will displace the adult male tiger from a carcass. Just how often the bear usurps a tiger's kill is unknown because when the tiger relinquishes his kill to the bear without any physical contact, no evidence of the displacement is left for a biologist to observe. ______________________________________________________________________________________ My conclusion: there is no true 'THE MASTER OF THE TAIGA'
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Post by Montezuma on May 17, 2022 20:51:50 GMT -5
brobear, the siberian native of Amur region called both brown bear and tiger as Master of the taiga. Brown bear featured more in myths and rituals of the Amur people than the tiger. And i think thag the REAL master of taiga is the Adult male brown bear as it fears nothing and all other animals including herbivores and carnivores are dominated by him.
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Post by Montezuma on May 17, 2022 20:57:01 GMT -5
Here is some proof that the bear is revered and called as Master of the taiga among the Amur natives. Orok are native Amur people. "Like other peoples of the Amur, the Orok revered the bear. The ritual of the bear hunt, the festival after catching the animal, the observance of a number of taboos during meals, the ritual burial of the bones of the consumed animal—all this differed from customs carried out in such instances by the Ul'cha, Orochi, and Nivkh. The same can be said about the bear festival, which is held two to four years after keeping the animal in captivity (beginning as a small cub). The captivity itself was dependent on several prohibitions."
"They considered the bear as son of the master of the taiga."
"Deviation from the ancient rules (i.e., violation of the taboos) incurred the anger of master and required the death of the violator or one of his kinsmen. A huge crowd gathered for the bear festival, at which reindeer races and games were organized."
www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/orok
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Post by Montezuma on May 17, 2022 21:00:38 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on May 17, 2022 21:05:17 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on May 25, 2022 9:26:37 GMT -5
brobear , the siberian native of Amur region called both brown bear and tiger as Master of the taiga. Brown bear featured more in myths and rituals of the Amur people than the tiger. And i think thag the REAL master of taiga is the Adult male brown bear as it fears nothing and all other animals including herbivores and carnivores are dominated by him. I would say that there is no true "Master Species" of the taiga when considering that the tiger is a full-time hunter, more feared by large herbivores, and more bears killed by tigers that tigers by bears. As individuals, the male brown bear dominates the male tigers. Also, people have a greater fear of bears than of tigers.
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Post by Montezuma on May 26, 2022 0:21:35 GMT -5
brobear, in north america, cougars kill more wolves than wolves kill cougars. However, generally wolves dominate cougars dominate wolves which means wolves are the real kings of their domain (unless there is the grizzly). Similarly, tigers killed more bears than bears kill tigers but generally the adult male brown bears would defeat any tiger in fight, robb their kills and the every tiger avoids the formidable bruin. The reason i say the bear as master of the taiga is due to the factor that the adult male class is undisputed in its domain. No predator or any animal challenges him. Meaning he is the true master of the taiga.
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Post by brobear on May 26, 2022 2:35:05 GMT -5
brobear , in north america, cougars kill more wolves than wolves kill cougars. However, generally wolves dominate cougars dominate wolves which means wolves are the real kings of their domain (unless there is the grizzly). Similarly, tigers killed more bears than bears kill tigers but generally the adult male brown bears would defeat any tiger in fight, robb their kills and the every tiger avoids the formidable bruin. The reason i say the bear as master of the taiga is due to the factor that the adult male class is undisputed in its domain. No predator or any animal challenges him. Meaning he is the true master of the taiga. I agree with you Montezuma. Here is my line-up of the top predators of the R.F.E. in order of dominance. Your list might vary, but that's ok. By "dominance" - who could defend a carcass? ( I might be wrong in the placement of the wolf pack ). 1- male brown bear. 2- male tiger. 3- female brown bear. 4- male moon bear. 5- tigress. 6- wolf pack. 7- female moon bear. 8- leopard.
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Post by Montezuma on May 26, 2022 6:12:14 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jun 4, 2022 11:39:09 GMT -5
Russian Bear – Myths and Reality www.learnrussianineu.com/russian-bear-myths-reality A Russian bear is an animal that Russia has been associated with in the West for many centuries already. A lot of myths and stereotypes about the Russian bear have appeared for about 400 years. Let’s try to find out how these stereotypes appeared and what bears’ life in Russia is like. There are many bears in Russia. The most popular one is a brown bear which is known around the world as a “Russian bear”. A bear is the biggest and strongest animal on the territory of Russia and northern Europe, therefore Russians call it the forest (taiga) master. The story of the “Russian bear” is related to foreigners’ observations. In Western Europe the image of the bear started to relate to the image of Russians in the 16th century. It started with the travel notes and diaries by western travelers who looked at bears as exotic animals. A great deal of speculation grew around their stories; the stories transformed. Actually, that’s what was going on until now. Foreign diplomats often received bear pelts as presents, and they also often mentioned carriages and sleds decorated in bear pelts. There were a lot of funny and unusual stories. Political cartoons depicting a Russian riding on the back of a bear which symbolized the Russian state were widely spread in Europe in the 18th century. First examples of self-identification of the Russian state with a bear started to appear since the end of the 19th century. This is how the cliché about Russia as the state of bears gradually formed. The most famous Russian bear is the Moscow bear, Mishka, that was the mascot of the 1980 Olympics. The task of this extremely cute cub was to help foreigners feel more confident and comfortable in Russia and change their attitude towards the USSR. Today the image of Russian bear is being actively exploited in mass media around the world. Cartoons, funny pictures of politicians with bears, word plays on Russia’s ex-president’s surname Medvedev, etc. Making use of people’s interest in Russian bears, bear tamers train their bears to hold a balalaika, and a bottle of vodka; they dress bears in traditional costumes, and after that, film them. It also enhances the already established stereotype and enables the appearance of more and more new stereotypes about brown bears. On the Internet, you can order the trained bear show for any holiday, as well as hire a tamed bear for a photoshoot session. Bear tamers make their bears dance, play Russian traditional music instruments, as it’s so “Russian”.
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 11, 2022 0:10:16 GMT -5
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Aug 25, 2022 15:13:25 GMT -5
The bear cult is connected to the bear cult? Who would have known! (Joke)
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Post by Montezuma on Nov 6, 2022 22:07:55 GMT -5
The bear cult is connected to the bear cult? Who would have known! (Joke) I think there must be a work mistake.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 7, 2022 2:37:43 GMT -5
Just to clear any misunderstanding, I am not the one who created this thread although my post is in the heading. I believe Brobear has shuffled the posts around .
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Post by brobear on Nov 7, 2022 3:25:14 GMT -5
Just to clear any misunderstanding, I am not the one who created this thread although my post is in the heading. I believe Brobear has shuffled the posts around . No shuffling; wouldn't even know how. I believe the topic was started by King Kodiak. But, afterwards, I would come across posts that belong in this topic. When a post is moved from one topic to another, it goes to the date first posted.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 7, 2022 4:05:32 GMT -5
/\ I meant to say move post . Other than that I stand corrected.
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 19, 2022 3:17:16 GMT -5
More proof that the Ussuri Brown Bear was called as "Master of the Taiga" by amur people. "Ulchi, Uilta (Orok), Oroch, Udege and Nanai have Bear and Tiger as the most powerful of ancestors of tribal lineages; and in general Bear is Master of the Taiga realm; Tiger, Master of the Forest realm; and Bear and Tiger dispatch game to hunters (Shternberg, 1900)."
"Nanai shamans' most powerful spirits are Bear and Tiger, which they install in wooden figurines for healing practices (Maltseva, 2012). • In the Ulch myth (see under Theme #2 below), the Bear-Man journeys to the Bear Master of the Taiga (Okladnikova, 1979)."
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 19, 2022 3:20:40 GMT -5
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