|
Post by brobear on Oct 10, 2020 9:23:19 GMT -5
IMO - Since a tiger never ever ambushes or fights with a bear of his own weight/size, the tiger would have to be in a situation either feeling cornered or desperate for food to make physical contact with a polar bear sow. But once there is a fight; my opinion is a 50/50.
|
|
|
Post by brobear on Oct 10, 2020 9:29:10 GMT -5
In addition, I would like to say that a male polar bear is much larger and stronger than a smilodon populator as well. That sabre tooth tiger overlaps in weight with a female and would be interesting. Back to topic, if Dale took 20 minutes to kill a female brown bear even though it is by failed ambush, a larger female polar bear will have a much better chance to win. Quote: In addition, I would like to say that a male polar bear is much larger and stronger than a smilodon populator as well. That sabre tooth tiger overlaps in weight with a female and would be interesting. *You can discuss this on: "Saber-Toothed Cat" Quote: Back to topic, if Dale took 20 minutes to kill a female brown bear even though it is by failed ambush, a larger female polar bear will have a much better chance to win. *First of all ( IMO ) it was not a failed ambush. The ambush ( it is believed ) was successful. But the she-bear was strong enough to shake-off the tiger and fight. With that said; you just might have a good point here.
|
|
|
Post by King Kodiak on Oct 10, 2020 9:35:59 GMT -5
Thing is we called it a "successful ambush" when the tiger kills a bear (or any prey) without a struggle. The tiger's goal is to kill without a fight or get hurt, that is the whole purpose of an ambush. That fight took 20 minutes. I would call it an ambush because it started as one and the bear was most likely hurt from that initial ambush, but i would definitely not call it a "successful ambush"
|
|
|
Post by King Kodiak on Oct 10, 2020 9:43:32 GMT -5
Brobear: when you create a fight thread like this, try to put a poll on it. I still think you can do that. It would be nice, and include the 50% option if you do.
|
|
|
Post by brobear on Oct 10, 2020 9:46:13 GMT -5
Well; I suppose it depends on your definition. ( IMO ) when the tiger successfully stalks his intended prey, successfully launches himself onto the intended prey, and latches on - that is a successful ambush. The ambush part, at this point, is done. The prey has been ambushed. What happens next does not change the fact that the tiger made a successful ambush.
|
|
|
Post by King Kodiak on Oct 10, 2020 9:53:58 GMT -5
Yeah, i suppose. I remember we debated this alot. For me, a successful ambush includes the result of that initial ambush. The tiger's goal was to kill the bear without a struggle. A 20 minute struggle happened. The tiger was hurt and could have died. I dont think the tiger thought it was successful. An ambush happened of course, but i dont think it was how the tiger dreamed of.
|
|
|
Post by theundertaker45 on Oct 10, 2020 9:58:07 GMT -5
A poll has been added by the way.
|
|
|
Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 11, 2020 5:35:09 GMT -5
A poll has been added by the way. I voted for the polar bear sow which seems to be tied with 50/50. To these of you who voted 50/50, please explain why.
|
|
|
Post by brobear on Oct 11, 2020 5:49:48 GMT -5
A poll has been added by the way. I voted for the polar bear sow which seems to be tied with 50/50. To these of you who voted 50/50, please explain why. In most actual real-life confrontations, the big cat will walk away ( in some cases run ) before things get really rough. Once the big cat sees that this bear is going to stand his ground and fight, the big cat, being by nature an ambush predator, will most often choose to seek out an easier meal ( even if he is fighting for the carcass of his own killing ). But if this fight ( as in our scenario here ) goes all the way to the death, then I have chosen to give any big cat/bear weight-parity fight a 50/50. Amur tiger vs female polar bear is very close to weight-parity. ( its simply my opinion )
|
|
|
Post by theundertaker45 on Oct 11, 2020 6:14:15 GMT -5
At weight parity I might actually give the edge to the tiger in this case as polar bears are the most sexually dimorphic species of the genus "Ursus" and the females are seemingly less impressive than their male counterparts, even on a lbs for lbs level I'd rate them below a female brown bear. However, in our case here the sow has some weight advantage which would make it a 55/45 in favour of the bear as far as I am concerned.
|
|
|
Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 11, 2020 6:18:26 GMT -5
Difference between male (left) and female (right) polar bear. The male polar bear will beat any big cat extinct or extant. The female polar bear is still heavier than any male extant tiger being heavier on average.
|
|
|
Post by brobear on Oct 11, 2020 6:27:01 GMT -5
I have read from some good sources that mammals with a large difference in size between the sexes ( Sexual dimorphism ) are generally animals with aggressive behavior between the males with each other. Fighting for breeding rights, food resources, or territory. I see a huge difference in this ( really great ) picture.
|
|
|
Post by theundertaker45 on Oct 11, 2020 6:37:02 GMT -5
The male polar bear in the picture above probably had fought off another male before the picture was taken.
|
|
|
Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 11, 2020 6:44:28 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by King Kodiak on Oct 11, 2020 10:02:31 GMT -5
I voted for the polar bear sow, slightly 6/10 fights. But i would not argue so much with a 50% stance either.
|
|
|
Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 18, 2020 11:23:02 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by King Kodiak on Oct 18, 2020 11:54:53 GMT -5
Reply #35: that is good info. But that happened in the wild though, not in captivity, so he cant use that to prove that polars get sick in captivity. The bear was 24 years and weighted 250 kg. Was that a female or a subadult male?
|
|
|
Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 18, 2020 11:57:35 GMT -5
It had heavily worn teeth and according to the info, it was 250 kg rather than the typical 400 kg. It was probably am underweight male which is smaller than average.
|
|
|
Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 18, 2020 11:59:39 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by King Kodiak on Oct 18, 2020 12:04:45 GMT -5
Yeah, worn teeth most likely because of its age, 24 is really old. And the bear was way below average, probably starving, all due to global warming.
|
|