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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 28, 2020 7:47:33 GMT -5
So the trend continues, we keep agreeing alot brobear, ha ha ha.
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Post by brobear on May 1, 2020 2:17:27 GMT -5
www.britannica.com/animal/lion/Reproduction-and-life-cycle Male cubs are expelled from the pride at about three years of age and become nomads until they are old enough to try to take over another pride (after age five). www.biologicaldiversity.org/spe ... story.html BREEDING: Female brown bears reach sexual maturity at 3.5 to seven years of age, with most cubs born to females younger than five years not surviving. Males become sexually mature at a similar age but are generally not large or dominant enough to be enter the breeding population until eight to 10 years old. *Note: a 5 year old lion or tiger is a full-grown big cat. A 10 year old brown bear is a full grown bear.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 14:53:41 GMT -5
I think a larger bear would win more often than not against a lion or a tiger on account of its weight and size and superior grappling ability. If the same weight and size, I'd give it to the big cat but not by much. Though it is debatable on which animal is 'stronger' (strength is often vaguely described when debating fights), I think the cat's agility and maneuverability gives it a slight advantage.
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Post by tom on May 3, 2020 15:02:18 GMT -5
I agree on the Cats agility being superior, but the Bear can fight bipedal which gives it a big advantage in a face to face fight. His grappling ability then can be utilized to its fullest. If we are talking about ambush attack then the advantage may turn to the cat if equal size. A larger Bear (think 800+ pounds) then ambush or not the Cat is in over his head IMO.
Where the advantage may tip to a Lion is if there are Two male Lions. Two Male Lions could... if they so desire give any Bear some trouble. But even so one Lion may come out in bad shape before the Bear is done.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 15:08:09 GMT -5
I agree on the Cats agility being superior, but the Bear can fight bipedal which gives it a big advantage in a face to face fight. His grappling ability then can be utilized to its fullest. If we are talking about ambush attack then the advantage may turn to the cat if equal size. A larger Bear, think 800+ pounds then ambush or not the Cat is in over his head IMO. Where the advantage may tip to a Lion is if there are Two male Lions. Two Male Lions could... if they so desire give any Bear some trouble. But even so one Lion may come out in bad shape before the Bear is done. An 800 lb bear (hell even one that's 700) in my opinion would have no problems with the majority of big cats. I'm gonna make a thread about the multiple lions against a large bear.
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Post by tom on May 3, 2020 15:10:41 GMT -5
In our thread Bears surviving in Africa domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/169/bears-surviving-africa thread we touch on many circumstances where a Bear would have trouble adjusting to life in Africa. Large Crocodiles, Lion prides, Hippos, Rhinos, hell even large clans of spotted Hyenas could all pose threats to a unsuspecting Grizzly.
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Post by brobear on May 4, 2020 10:32:51 GMT -5
The lions of Asia are like a whole-nother animal. It seems like everything in Africa is bad-tempered; aggressive. Something in the water? African buffalo; spotted hyenas, lions, black rhinoceros, so-called killer bees. The Asiatic lion appears to be far less aggressive. A pride is made-up of just a few lionesses. Male lions are mostly loners or a pair of brothers. Far less violence among lions in India. I highly doubt that the Syrian brown bear ( in the distant past ) was dominated by lions.
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Post by brobear on May 6, 2020 16:55:36 GMT -5
www.wildlifephotographyindia.com/kuno-palpur-waiting-for-lions/ Kuno Palpur Wildlife Sanctuary - Kuno Palpur – Waiting for Lions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuno_National_Park The main predators occurring in the protected area are Indian leopard, jungle cat, sloth bear, dhole, Indian wolf, golden jackal, striped hyena and Bengal fox. Ungulates include chital, Sambar deer, nilgai, four-horned antelope, chinkara, blackbuck and wild boar. More than 1,900 feral cattle were estimated to occur in 2008, whereas density of wild ungulates was considered too low to sustain an introduced lion population at the time.
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Post by brobear on May 7, 2020 4:04:18 GMT -5
Kuno is ready to become India’s second lion sanctuary, 29 years after it was identified The reintroduction plan The expert committee has suggested a four-phase plan for the reintroduction of lion in Kuno which involves organisational commitments, ecological monitoring and quantifying social carrying capacity of lion reintroduction, followed by capture, translocation and soft release of lions in Kuno, post-reintroduction monitoring & research, conflict mitigation, followed with an annual review of the project. The first three phases would be undertaken over a period of two years, after which, upto the next 20 years or so the plan highlights genetic management & supplementation, under which six lions (two males and four females) should be supplemented in the Kuno population from Gir until 16-20 years from the first reintroduction at an interval of four years. The report maintains, carnivore reintroduction is an appropriate conservation strategy to restore the integrity of ecosystems. However, many pitfalls exist that can result in the total or partial failure of a reintroduction program and can potentially waste valuable and limited resources. Self-sustaining size According to Kuno divisional forest officer, current habitat management initiatives by Madhya Pradesh Forest Department (MPFD) inside Kuno WLS such as weed eradication, fire management, grassland management, waterhole management etc. would continue so as to enhance nutritional carrying capacity for wild ungulates, which would serve as a prey base for the lions
Although the current carrying capacity of lions at Kuno WLS is a maximum of 40 lions, Population Habitat Viability Analysis (PHVA) models for Kuno lions show that the lion population will be viable for long- term only at a minimum figure of around 80 individuals. Expecting approximately a realised growth that has been observed for recovering tiger populations, along with supplementation every four years from Gir; the lion population in Kuno WLS should reach the current carrying capacity of 40 within 15 years.
To reach the required self-sustaining population size of 80 lions, the time required would be close to 30 years. *My question is: when is the first introduction of lions taking place?
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Post by brobear on May 7, 2020 8:05:50 GMT -5
Opinions: The sloth bear will probably react with a lion the same way that he does with a tiger. How many here believe that such an encounter will have a different result? *Note: do not turn this question into a lion vs tiger debate; thank you.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 8, 2020 19:16:31 GMT -5
Opinions: The sloth bear will probably react with a lion the same way that he does with a tiger. How many here believe that such an encounter will have a different result? *Note: do not turn this question into a lion vs tiger debate; thank you. No tiger vs lion debate from me. I know the rules here. Still, it will be interesting to see how an Asiatic lion and a sloth bear actually interacts in the wild.
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Post by brobear on May 9, 2020 12:14:18 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on May 10, 2020 8:09:46 GMT -5
My opinion is same result. The sloth bear will defend its cubs until death, even from a pair of lions.
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Post by brobear on May 10, 2020 8:38:20 GMT -5
My opinion is same result. The sloth bear will defend its cubs until death, even from a pair of lions. Its not always a mother with cubs. Adult sloth bears are prey-sized bears.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 10, 2020 8:48:59 GMT -5
My opinion is same result. The sloth bear will defend its cubs until death, even from a pair of lions. Its not always a mother with cubs. Adult sloth bears are prey-sized bears. And they will be preyed upon, thats for sure.
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Post by theundertaker45 on May 10, 2020 8:52:09 GMT -5
Only an exceptionally big male sloth bear could be able to defend himself successfully from a bloodlusted male Asiatic lion in a fight to the death; a coalition of 2-3 male lions could regularly take down any kind of sloth bear without having severe issues, even the biggest of the biggest.
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Post by brobear on May 10, 2020 9:07:15 GMT -5
Only an exceptionally big male sloth bear could be able to defend himself successfully from a bloodlusted male Asiatic lion in a fight to the death; a coalition of 2-3 male lions could regularly take down any kind of sloth bear without having severe issues, even the biggest of the biggest. But normally, a typical lion stalks a typical male sloth bear and is spotted by the bear, would the lion react differently from a tiger when the bear stands his ground?
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Post by King Kodiak on May 10, 2020 10:35:26 GMT -5
Well, at least for me, the problem answering this question is that, once again, i have to compare lions to tigers, and you specifically said to not turn this into a lion vs tiger.
So to answer, yes, even a single lion, and more so 2 or 3 lions, would definitely react different than a Bengal tiger if spotted. The lion or lions would definitely keep the hunt going and not run away like a Bengal tiger. Lions have just that much more guts than tigers, this is clear as day.
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Post by brobear on May 10, 2020 13:38:54 GMT -5
More than a single lion is a given. But one single lion may or may not react differently. These are not the aggressive African variety lions. Being Asiatic lions, they just might retain some natural instincts in regard to bears. I believe that when ( or if ) lions are introduced into different locals; some of these questions will be answered.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 10, 2020 17:47:15 GMT -5
I never read anything about Asiatic lions being less aggressive.
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