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Post by brobear on Oct 15, 2022 0:07:12 GMT -5
RedMatter made this comparison between a male grizzly bear and a male lion:
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Post by yz on Oct 15, 2022 6:33:27 GMT -5
RedMatter made this comparison between a male grizzly bear and a male lion: At this point, shouldn't we be convinced that lions are truly the kings of beasts and that no other carnivore is stronger ? 😂😂😂
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Post by arctozilla on Oct 15, 2022 11:27:23 GMT -5
RedMatter made this comparison between a male grizzly bear and a male lion: Who is RedMatter?
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Post by yz on Oct 15, 2022 11:29:41 GMT -5
RedMatter made this comparison between a male grizzly bear and a male lion: Who is RedMatter? Some user on carnivora.
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Post by brobear on Oct 15, 2022 11:55:25 GMT -5
I believe we have enough copies now.
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Post by brobear on Dec 16, 2022 10:53:10 GMT -5
Average mature male Yellowstone grizzly (5 years+) - 425.5 pounds. Average mature female Yellowstone grizzly (5 years+) - 295.4 pounds. Average fully grown male Yellowstone grizzly (9 years+) - 470 pounds. Average fully grown female Yellowstone grizzly (7 years+) - 304.08 pounds. ____________________________________________________________ Average mature South African lion - 421 pounds. (n=80) Average mature South African lioness - 284.4 pounds. (n=111) Average mature Namibian/Zimbabwe lion - 434.3/423.3 pounds. (n=23/59) Average mature Namibian/Zimbabwe lioness - 313.1/313.1 pounds. (n=37/33) Average mature East African lion - 383.6 pounds. (n=71) Average mature East African lioness - 266.8 pounds. (n=42) Average mature Botswana lion - 405.6 pounds. (n=22) Average mature Botswana lioness - 310.9 pounds. (n=14) Average mature Ethiopian lion - 302.5 pounds. (n=9) Average mature Ethiopian lioness - 285.7 pounds. (n=9) Average mature West African lion - 348.3 pounds. (n=8) Average mature West African lioness - 211.6 pounds. (n=7) Average Asian lion - 360.2 pounds. (n=9) Average Asian lioness - 256.4 pounds. (n=14) Average Panthera leo melanochaita (subspecies, extant, concluded out of all the former subspecies inhabiting East/South Africa) - 388.3 pounds for males and 291.1 pounds for females (n=264 and n=246) Average Panthera leo leo (subspecies, extant, concluded out of all the former subspecies inhabiting Asia/West Africa) - 354.3 pounds for males and 234 pounds for females (n=17 and n=21) Average Panthera leo (species, extant, concluded out of the two present subspecies) - 371.3 pounds for males and 262.6 pounds for females (n=282 and n=267) ______________________________________________________ A full-grown male Yellowstone grizzly (9+ years old) is heavier than a lion.
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Post by Montezuma on Dec 17, 2022 12:19:18 GMT -5
brobear , great post up there. Against a lion, i would always prefer a Polar bear or Brown bear (no need to mention prehistoric gaint bears). And i think that a bear with almost 200 pound weight advantage would take down a lion almost 19/20 times. Most brown bear subspecies outweigh lion subspecies as i guess at least the Grizzlies in America where the smallest brown bear species, the Mexican grizzly, could weigh up to 318 kg which i think is a well-sized bear. Further, the face-off advantages you mentioned in that thread show that logical reasoning prefers bear in a fight against a lion. Then we have many experts favouring brown or polar bears over lion and many authentic account of bears defeating/killing lions in face-off fights. Apart from that, we have concrete proof from books that Brown bears always overpowered lions in Roman and Californian arena fights which is even a better source for our this topic.
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Post by yz on Dec 17, 2022 17:49:30 GMT -5
brobear , great post up there. Against a lion, i would always prefer a Polar bear or Brown bear (no need to mention prehistoric gaint bears). And i think that a bear with almost 200 pound weight advantage would take down a lion almost 19/20 times. Most brown bear subspecies outweigh lion subspecies as i guess at least the Grizzlies in America where the smallest brown bear species, the Mexican grizzly, could weigh up to 318 kg which i think is a well-sized bear. Further, the face-off advantages you mentioned in that thread show that logical reasoning prefers bear in a fight against a lion. Then we have many experts favouring brown or polar bears over lion and many authentic account of bears defeating/killing lions in face-off fights. Apart from that, we have concrete proof from books that Brown bears always overpowered lions in Roman and Californian arena fights which is even a better source for our this topic. As well as scientific proof of brown bears being stronger even relatively speaking.
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Post by brobear on Dec 18, 2022 4:50:20 GMT -5
domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/271/north-american-brown-bear-grizzly?page=8 HBL = HBL (straight line): HBL (straight line): 161.31cm (n=20)cm or 5 feet and 3.51 inches. HBL (A) measured in a straight line. ___________________________________________________________________________ Fully Grown/Prime (9-15y of age) Body Weight: 210.90kg (n=27) Chest Girth: 135.85cm (n=20) Front Pad Length: 7.77cm (n=21) Front Pad Width: 14.99cm (n=21) HBL (over curves): 203.78cm (n=21) HBL (straight line): 161.31cm (n=20) Head Length: 42.25cm (n=20) Head Width: 27.77cm (n=20) Neck Girth: 81.26cm (n=21) Rear Pad Length: 19.61cm (n=20) Rear Pad Width: 13.69cm (n=20) Shoulder Height: 95.43cm (n=20)
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Post by brobear on Dec 18, 2022 5:03:37 GMT -5
The biggest lion subspecies: HBL is 191 cm or 6 feet and 3.24 inches. / Weight: 192 kg or 423.29 pounds. Yellowstone grizzly: HBL is 161.31cm (n=20)cm or 5 feet and 3.51 inches. / Weight: 465 pounds. *Note: When looking at all brown bear subspecies, the inland grizzly is among the smallest.
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Post by brobear on Dec 20, 2022 1:42:26 GMT -5
Looking at the post directly above, the Yellowstone grizzly has a weight advantage over the largest subspecies of lion, even though the lion has a HBL advantage of one foot. At equal HBL, the bear would easily have a weight advantage of 200 pounds.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jan 11, 2023 6:20:28 GMT -5
Reply 329. The inland grizzly seems to be heavier than the barren ground grizzly. Despite being a little heavier than a lion at average weights, there is a bigger difference at upper weights.
Also a wider chest girth can give a grizzly 200 pounds more than an African lion despite being the same length.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Jan 20, 2023 4:29:05 GMT -5
I happened to stumble upon this graph on lion growth patterns by Smuts (a person who weighed over 400 lions of all age classes); an adult male from Kruger NP in his absolute prime has a peak weight of around 188kg on average. At 3y which is normally considered the age of sexual maturity we end up at ~145kg. As far as I know Yellowstone interior grizzlies weigh ~180-190kg at sexual maturity and when fully grown in terms of weight (not dimensions) which means at the age of 15 they probably reach an asymptotic average of 250kg or more when eliminating weak/old individuals shortly before death. We may very well say the "Yellowstone grizzly vs African lion mismatch" as well as the "Ussuri brown bear vs Siberian tiger mismatch".
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Post by brobear on Jan 20, 2023 5:14:21 GMT -5
250 kilograms is equal to 551.16 pounds vs 188 kilograms is equal to 414.47 pounds. Grizzly has a weight advantage of 136.69 pounds. Lion sexually mature at 3 yrs old and brown bear sexually mature at 4.5 yrs old (normally).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2023 11:30:26 GMT -5
BEAR FENDS OFF 2 LIONESSES
"It seemed as if the lionesses had agreed upon the moment for the attack. Some of the local papers say that they both refused to eat the horse flesh given to they that day, as if expecting something more palatable, but this the keeper declares is preposterous, because a lion is never known to decline any adible. He eats what he has, and anything he gets later is so much extra.
The elder and stronger of the lionesses pried open the door of the cage and broke into the bear's den. The roar of the attacking party startled the keeper and he dashed into the building. He found the White bear with his back against the rear of his cage standing up and swinging his claws at his assailant, growling and sputtering.
Just as the keeper entered the building the second lioness was getting into the cage. The pair stood a few feet away from the bear as if to prepare an attack in unison, one lioness on the right of the defending party and the other on his left. Then suddenly they sprang upon him together.
The older lioness dodged a blow from his paw and fastened upon his throat. The bear was in such a position that at close quarters he was almost helpless. It seemed only a question of time when the lioness that had him by the throat would bite and claw him to death. The blood flowed from the unfortunate creature in red torrents and it looked as if he could not last many minutes.
Meanwhle the other lioness was making violent efforts to aid her sister. The bear, however, while unable to rid himself of his enemy at close quarters, fought most successfully with the one at long range. Everytime the lioness attempted to get closer his great paw shot out. Several times she rolled in the dust, only to return to the charge, however, with renewed fury.
The attention of the lioness that had the bear by the throat was distracted by a critical occurrence in the other battle and she relaxed her hold for a moment. The bear felt his opportunity and by a violent and sudden twist freed himself. Then he brought his forelegs into play and beat the lioness back to the other end of the cage."
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Post by Montezuma on Mar 11, 2023 0:45:13 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Mar 11, 2023 0:46:22 GMT -5
Don’t forget to post it on the realm too 😎.
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Post by Granolah on Mar 11, 2023 11:26:11 GMT -5
A certain “someone” wouldn’t accept this account. Lol.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Mar 12, 2023 2:32:26 GMT -5
/\ I wonder how heavy Velox is was? She was born before Animal Rights Acts existed.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Mar 12, 2023 2:35:35 GMT -5
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