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Post by brobear on Dec 29, 2021 2:57:15 GMT -5
Parnell the African lion only fought one bear - Ramadam - who "killed him so fast that the audience hardly knew what had happened." On a documentary, the Alaskan grizzly Van killed a 500-pound she-bear like this - in a matter of a couple of seconds. *NOTE: It was this fight that caused me to delete all of our *animal fights in captivity topics. Why? I strongly believe in the version printed in the book, 'California Grizzly which, as I said, was accepted as the true story by the state of California at the time. Since the arrival of home computers and the birth of "Wild Animal Face-Off" forums, we now have a half dozen or more versions. Some say that this fight ended in a draw. Other's claim that Parnell killed the bear. So, since which newspaper was telling it straight cannot be proven - I don't accept any story from those old papers as FACT.
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Post by brobear on Dec 29, 2021 4:07:04 GMT -5
*I will add: according to 'THE BEAR - History of a Fallen King' - by Michel Pastoureau, the ( brown ) bear always defeated the lion in single combat. The average full-grown male brown bear in Europe was pretty-much in the size range as Russia's Ussuri brown bear. The average lion weighs less than 400 pounds.
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Post by kesagake on Dec 29, 2021 5:49:21 GMT -5
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Post by kesagake on Dec 29, 2021 5:54:34 GMT -5
From what I know, Michael Pastoreau even wrote somewhere in his book that Ramadam killed Parnell the lion quickly. So that account is confirmed.
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Post by kesagake on Dec 29, 2021 5:58:42 GMT -5
In short, Prime is a big hypocrite and a worthless moron just like paul cooper said. He says that California Gold Rush is a myth and the books are liying yet he uses biblic testaments, unreliable old newspapers and lied about Parnell Vs. Siskiyou. He's the most worthless and toxic lion fanatic I've ever seen. Plus I even laughed when he complained that it's unclear that the lions Velox killed are females or males, he missed that Velox was female as well and not even a huge bear.
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Post by Granolah on Dec 29, 2021 6:01:34 GMT -5
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Post by kesagake on Dec 29, 2021 6:06:21 GMT -5
/\ nice cameback. So that means he's reliable and that is an established fact that bears defeated lions in roman arenas. I know that hurts lion king fantasy fools very much. LOL
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Post by brobear on Jan 9, 2022 12:49:00 GMT -5
Brown Bear Attacks and Kills Aged Lion in a Zoo koreabizwire.com/in-depth-brown-bear-attacks-and-kills-aged-lion-in-a-zoo/25689 JINJU, Korea, Dec. 8 (Korea Bizwire) — In the Jinyang Lake Zoo run by the city government of Jinju, South Gyeongsang Province, there was an incident in which a male brown bear attacked an aged female lion. The lion died on the following day from injuries, but the zoo administrators reported it to the city authority as a death from natural causes. According to the city government on December 7, the brown bear had raided into the lion cage on November 29. Even though there was a padlock on the iron-barred door between the cages, the bear easily broke it by knocking the badly rusted lock with its paws. Nonetheless, the zookeepers said in their death report, “The lioness was unable to eat for a week and we had to sustain her life with IV solutions. We judged it to be from natural causes as there were no external wounds in autopsy and signs of internal bleeding in the large intestine and inflammation in the liver. But The Korea Joongang Daily reported based on a witness testimony, “The lion’s face and the whole body were covered with blood and the floor was soaked with blood.” The bear was 12 years old, in his 30s in human age, while the lion was 20 years old, or about in her 70s in human equivalent age. The bear weighs more than 200 kilograms while the lion only 100 kilograms. Established in 1986, the Jinyang Lake Zoo is almost 30 years old with so many places badly needing repair and major renovation. For example, the ape cages are so corroded that one can get red rust if he rubs his hand on the columns and iron bars of the cages. In many cases, animals occupy cages originally not designed for them. According to the Joongang Daily report, the Jinju city government pays about 200 million won to the zoo for upkeep and labor cost of which about half goes to the animals’ feed and drugs. There is no separate payment for repair and maintenance of the animal cages. Not just the Jinyang Lake Zoo, but all the zoos in Korea are quite poorly managed. Even though there is a law stipulating animal welfare and protection, this is applicable mostly to pets but not to zoo animals. Zoos are now treated as a facility like natural parks, museums and art galleries without any special law protecting the welfare of their inhabitants. Last year, a YouTube video exposing an abuse of an elephant seal by a trainer at Jouju, a theme park in Goyang City in Gyeonggi Province, by kicking and beating the animal circulated on the Internet, causing uproar among animal lovers. The problem at the time was not blamed for one person’s recklessness but for general lack of money to protect animals. This is the same for the latest case in Jinju. The capitalist low-cost, high-efficiency mantra is also applicable to all zoo management as well. In popular zoos, the animals must serve visitors from early hours to late afternoon while in zoos with few visitors the animals have to be at the mercy of wretched living conditions. The 30,000-square-meter Jinyang Lake Zoo holds about 260 animals from 52 species including lions, tigers, brown bears, and camels in 20 cages.
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Post by brobear on Jan 10, 2022 11:06:02 GMT -5
Reply #307 - Brown Bear Attacks and Kills Aged Lion in a Zoo. Nothing there to brag about. But, what is interesting is the fact that just a few years back, in Missouri, a grizzly escaped from his enclosure during a storm and, instead of escaping from the zoo area, he went straight to the enclosure of a tigress and killed her. Coincidence?
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Post by brobear on Jan 12, 2022 10:03:39 GMT -5
cosmosmagazine.com/nature/to-prevent-lion-attacks-paint-eyes-on-your-cows-butt/?amp=1 Paint eyes on a cow’s butt to stop lion attacks It appears to prevent lion attacks in landscapes where they coexist. Eyes painted on cattle rumps trick lions into thinking they have lost the element of surprise, the study suggests. Credit: Ben Yexley *Well, it became common knowledge years ago that wearing a face-mask on the back of your head has been preventing tiger attacks on humans in India. Thus far ( last I head ) not one person wearing such a mask has been attacked by a tiger. Now, we have proof that when it comes down to disliking face-to-face confrontations, the lion is no different from the tiger. All cats are basically ambush predators. When it comes to confronting an adversary face-to-face, no big cat has the courage of a grizzly. Wearing a face-mask on the back of your head will change nothing in grizzly country. Painting eyes on the rear-end of cows will not keep them safe from a grizzly. *Now we can honestly say that ALL CATs are ambush predatores and the lion is no exception.
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Post by Montezuma on Feb 7, 2022 22:42:33 GMT -5
/\ i really appreciate that find. Lions are better fighters compared to other cats. But they are not fighters by nature. They are ambush predators, which is the real cat's nature. Bears on the otherhand are totally duffrrent as they are pure fighters. Their stamina, features, nature and body structure is for fighting rather than hunting. Thats why every type of cat avoid every type of bear.
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Post by brobear on Feb 8, 2022 2:12:58 GMT -5
/\ i really appreciate that find. Lions are better fighters compared to other cats. But they are not fighters by nature. They are ambush predators, which is the real cat's nature. Bears on the otherhand are totally duffrrent as they are pure fighters. Their stamina, features, nature and body structure is for fighting rather than hunting. Thats why every type of cat avoid every type of bear. I agree 100%. Painting eyeballs on the rear-end of cows would not protect them from a hungry grizzly. Wearing a face-mask on the back of your head would not improve your safety within a grizzly's domain.
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Post by Montezuma on Feb 19, 2022 2:25:39 GMT -5
So lets make a summary of lion vs grizzly bear to clearly understand the winner easily, 1. Physical Advantages In this the bear clearly has the advatage as grizzlies can overwhelm the lion is length and weight. The grappling ability, bite force, durability and stamina is also better than the lion. Bears also have enormous strength. beargorillarealm.proboards.com/thread/133/bear-strengthThe bear claws are also very deadly. beargorillarealm.proboards.com/thread/154/bear-claws-jokeLions have only have the advantage of speed which does not plays a big role. So morphological studies show beaes have a good advantage. beargorillarealm.proboards.com/thread/10/major-morphological-studies-comparing-animals2. Animal's nature Lions are fighters but sometimes they are though to be as good as grizzly bears which is not accurate. Lions are by nature hunters, not fighters. Grizzly bears on the other hand, are pure fighters. Lions in pit fights killed bulls , but they never accomplish such feasts as the grizzly did as the burly bruins were sometimes known to kill more than 4 bulls. beargorillarealm.proboards.com/thread/142/grizzly-spanish-fighting-bull-accountsIn courage and tenacity, the grizzly bears always prepondrates the Lion as many experts told. domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/1423/grizzly-bear-lion-real-beasts3. Accounts Contrasts to common believe, bears have killed more lions in captive fights than the lion. In zoos or circuses, animals often accidently start to fight, in which bears killed lions. beargorillarealm.proboards.com/thread/6/bears-defeat-lions-accountsLions also killed bears but less than the bears beargorillarealm.proboards.com/thread/146/lions-defeat-bears-accounts, which clear turns the winning tables towards the bear. 4. Arranged fights There is no find about lion and bear encounters in the wild. But we have arranged fights between lions and bears in arenas which is a very good way to see the real winner as in such fights animals were dreadful and fought with full courage and strength until death. Bears and lions fought in the roman arenas, in which the bears always won as told by famous historian. domainofthebears.proboards.com/post/8974This is furthur proved by a well-known biologists that the bears always killed the lions in those fights. beargorillarealm.proboards.com/post/3365/threadRoman arena fight happened in b.c. but the same scenario was seen in the California pit fights in which again the sublime grizzly bears deafeat the African lions. beargorillarealm.proboards.com/post/3466/thread5. Expert opinions Another important thing to notice is that "the grizzly would kill a lion" is not only just a simple statement, it is a opinion of experts as many bilogists, writters, historians, hunters, naturalists and animal trainers think that the Lion is no match for a grizzly bear. beargorillarealm.proboards.com/thread/18/opinions-favoring-bears-over-catsSo in the end, due to the upper given proof, a brown bear of well size beat a lion 9 out of 10 times.
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Post by brobear on Apr 6, 2022 2:58:59 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Apr 29, 2022 22:53:27 GMT -5
Michael Pastoreau did not mention Parnell and Ramadam. His book was solely on European history. The Parnell and Ramadam incident were mentioned in "California Grizzly" by Tracy Irwin Storer.
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Post by brobear on Apr 29, 2022 23:04:08 GMT -5
I already discussed some at Beargorrilarealm, I’m @shake there. I debunked Silver King, Baltimore the lion killing 900-Russian beat, Parnell the lion killing Monarch/Sisikiyou and more… And you said, "Parnell never fought Siskiyou, the fight was cancelled, many books and newspapers say it too." There has been so many fake stories published concerning Parnell the lion and Ramadam the grizzly. That is why I don't accept any of those tales from old 19th century and early to mid 20th century as fact. One version had Parnell the lion killing Monarch, which was probably the last living California grizzly who died in his cage. I believe the story as published in the book, 'California Grizzly' and which the newspaper clipping is on the wall of the California state capital building. I don't really know anything about Silver King, but if it's from those old newspapers, I wouldn't put too much trust in it being accurate.
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Post by brobear on Jun 13, 2022 17:51:03 GMT -5
Ever since I got started on these animal blog sites ( well over 20 years ago ) there have been strong rumors of relocating a population of Asiatic lions to some new locations. Evidently, this will never happen. In fact, I'm thinking that Gir was carefully chosen for these lions where they would remain safe from Bengal tigers and sloth bears.
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Post by brobear on Jul 2, 2022 3:30:34 GMT -5
The Truth About Lions The world’s foremost lion expert reveals the brutal, secret world of the king of beasts Abigail Tucker - January 2010 www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-truth-about-lions-11558237/ It took a while for Packer to tune into such dramas. When he first visited the Serengeti lions in 1974, he concluded that “lions were really boring.” The laziest of all the cats, they were usually collapsed in a stupor, as if they had just run a marathon, when in reality they hadn’t moved a muscle in 12 hours. Packer had been working under Jane Goodall in Tanzania’s Gombe Stream National Park, observing baboons. He slept in a metal structure called The Cage to be closer to the animals. In 1978, when Packer’s plan to study Japanese monkeys fell through, he and a fellow primatologist, Anne Pusey, to whom he was married at the time, volunteered to take over the Lion Project, begun 12 years earlier by the American naturalist George Schaller. By the time Packer and Pusey installed themselves in the Lion House, scientists were well aware that lions are ambush predators with little stamina and that they gorge at a kill, each one downing up to 70 pounds in a sitting. (Lions eat, in addition to antelope and wildebeest, crocodiles, pythons, fur seals, baboons, hippopotamuses, porcupines and ostrich eggs.) Lion territories are quite large—15 square miles on the low end, ranging up to nearly 400—and are passed down through generations of females. Lions are vigorous when it comes to reproduction; Schaller observed one male mate 157 times in 55 hours. Packer and Pusey set out not just to document lion behavior but to explain how it had evolved. “What we wanted to do was figure out why they did some of these things,” Packer says. “Why did they raise their cubs together? Did they really hunt cooperatively?” They kept tabs on two dozen prides in minute detail, photographing each animal and naming new cubs. They noted where the lions congregated, who was eating how much of what, who had mated, who was wounded, who survived and who died. They described interactions at kills. It was slow going, even after they put radio collars on several lions in 1984. Packer was always more troubled by the lions’ sloth than their slavering jaws. Following prides at night—the animals are largely nocturnal—he sometimes thought he would go mad. “I read Tolstoy, I read Proust,” he says. “All the Russians.” Packer and Pusey wrote in one article that “to the list of inert noble gases, including krypton, argon and neon, we would add lion.” “People hate lions,” Packer had told me. “The people who live with them, anyway.” After more than an hour of reed-whacking, stone-wedging and wrestling with mud ladders placed under the tires to provide traction, the vehicle finally surged onto the far side of the ditch. Incredibly, the lions remained precisely where we’d seen them last: sitting with Zen-like equanimity on their little doily of shade. The lions’ decline began about 12,000 years ago. Prehistoric human beings, with their improving hunting technologies, probably competed with lions for prey, and lion subspecies in Europe and the Americas went extinct. Other subspecies were common in India and Africa until the 1800s, when European colonists began killing lions on safaris and clearing the land. In 1920, a hunter shot the last known member of the North African subspecies in Morocco. Today, the only wild lions outside Africa belong to a small group of fewer than 400 Asiatic lions in the Gir Forest of India. Lions persist in a handful of countries across southeastern Africa, including Botswana, South Africa and Kenya, but Tanzania’s population is by far the largest. Though devastatingly poor, the nation is a reasonably stable democracy with huge tracts of protected land. Serengeti National Park—at 5,700 square miles, about the size of Connecticut—is perhaps the world’s greatest lion sanctuary, with some 3,000 lions. In Packer’s study area, comprising the territories of 23 prides near the park’s center, the number of lions is stable or even rising. But the Serengeti is the exception. Part of the blame for Tanzania’s crashing lion population belongs to the trophy-hunting industry: the government allows the harvest of some 240 wild lions a year from game reserves and other unprotected areas, the highest take in Africa. Safaris charge a trophy fee of as little as $6,000 for a lion; animals are shot while feasting on baits, and many of the coveted “trophy males” have peach fuzz manes and haven’t even left their mother’s pride yet. The use of lion parts in folk medicines is another concern; as wild tigers disappear from Asia, scientists have noticed increasing demand for leonine substitutes. The central issue, though, is the growing human population. Tanzania has three times as many residents now—some 42 million—as when Packer began working there. The country has lost more than 37 percent of its woodlands since 1990. Disease has spread from village animals to the lions’ prey animals, and, in the case of the 1994 distemper outbreak that started in domestic dogs, to the lions themselves. The lions’ prey animals are also popular in the burgeoning—and illicit—market for bush meat. And then there is the understandable ill will that people bear lions, which loiter on front porches, bust through thatched roofs, snatch cattle, rip children from their mother’s arms, haul the elderly out of bed and seize women on the way to latrines. In the 1990s, as Tanzanians plowed large swaths of lion territory into fields, lion attacks on people and livestock rose dramatically. Bernard Kissui, a Tanzanian lion scientist with the African Wildlife Foundation and one of Packer’s former graduate students, met Packer and me in Manyara, a bustling district southeast of Serengeti National Park. Kissui said five lions nearby had recently died after eating a giraffe carcass laced with tick poison. “Africa is not Africa without lions,” Kissui told me, but “human needs precede the wildlife’s. As the number of people increases, we take the land that would have been available to the wildlife and use it for ourselves. Africa has one billion people now. Think about what that one billion implies in terms of the future of lions. We are heading into a very complicated world.” Abigail Tucker, Smithsonian’s staff writer, has covered narwhals, salmon and the link between birds and horseshoe crabs. ( What I copied and pasted is only a small sample - read more on site )
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Post by brobear on Jul 2, 2022 3:43:36 GMT -5
Male Lions Use Ambush Hunting Strategy carnegiescience.edu/news/male-lions-use-ambush-hunting-strategy Washington, D.C.— It has long been believed that male lions are dependent on females when it comes to hunting. But new evidence suggests that male lions are, in fact, very successful hunters in their own right. A new report from a team including Carnegie's Scott Loarie and Greg Asner shows that male lions use dense savanna vegetation for ambush-style hunting in Africa. Their work is published in Animal Behavior. Female lions have long been observed to rely on cooperative strategies to hunt their prey. While some studies demonstrated that male lions are as capable at hunting as females, the males are less likely to cooperate, so there were still questions as to how the males manage to hunt successfully. The possibility that male lions used vegetation for ambushing prey was considered, but it was difficult to study given the logistics and dangers of making observations of lions in densely vegetated portions of the African savanna. Loarie and Asner, working with Craig Tambling from the University of Pretoria, combined different types of technology to change the game. ( More to read on site )
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Post by brobear on Sept 7, 2022 10:08:35 GMT -5
7 types of Lions:
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