|
Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 10, 2020 7:33:18 GMT -5
Accounts of Syrian brown bears interacting with Asiatic lions will be interesting.
|
|
|
Post by brobear on Dec 10, 2020 7:51:48 GMT -5
Accounts of Syrian brown bears interacting with Asiatic lions will be interesting. Unfortunately there were no biologists living ( a thousand years ago? ).
|
|
|
Post by King Kodiak on Dec 10, 2020 11:40:12 GMT -5
How would a barren ground grizzly bear or Tibetan brown bear do against a lion? Barren ground grizzly vs African lion, at averages its basically weight parity. The lion is longer and taller at the shoulder, also higher bite force. The bear is a better grappler. Both have basically the same aggressiveness. I have this at 50%.
|
|
|
Post by brobear on Dec 10, 2020 13:12:23 GMT -5
1- Madhav National Park, Madhya Pradesh = sloth bears. 2- Sitamata Wildlife Sanctuary, Rajasthan = sloth bears. 3- Mukundra Hills Tiger Reserve (Darrah-jawahar Sagar), Rajasthan = sloth bers / Bengal tigers. 4- Gandhi Sagar Wildlife Sanctuary, Madhya Pradesh = sloth bears. 5- Kumbhalgarh Wildlife Sanctuary, Rajasthan = sloth bears. Good find King Kodiak. Sloth bears in every location of possible lion re-introduction. Is there any logical reason why the Asiatic lion can only be reintroduced into India?
|
|
|
Post by brobear on Dec 11, 2020 18:51:01 GMT -5
Average Asian lion - 360.2 pounds. (n=9) Average Asian lioness - 256.4 pounds. (n=14) Syrian brown bear - up to 550 pounds; probably averages to roughly weight-parity with the Asian lion. Average Indian sloth bear - sow: 223.8 pounds Average Indian sloth bear - boar: 290.6 pounds. Asiatic black bear - adult males weigh 60–200 kg (130–440 lb) - average probably roughly 300 pounds ( maybe less ). Asiatic black bear - adult females weigh 40–125 kg (88–276 lb)
|
|
|
Post by brobear on Dec 20, 2020 12:39:13 GMT -5
*It is highly unlikely that we will ever witness a lion in a confrontation with a bear in the wild. If we do, it will certainly be with either a moon bear or a sloth bear. I would wager, that in such a confrontation, a lone lion's actions will prove no different from that of a tiger. I base this assumption on the single video where a lion is confined within the same enclosure as a moon bear. Just as with the tiger and the sloth bear, the lion was unable to get past the bear's defenses.
|
|
|
Post by brobear on Apr 14, 2021 5:06:33 GMT -5
I will wager all the money in my wallet and in my bank account as well as the clothes I am wearing on the bear.
|
|
|
Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 14, 2021 7:13:32 GMT -5
I agree. The brown bear in the picture above is heavier and stronger.
|
|
|
Post by Montezuma on Apr 14, 2021 23:29:35 GMT -5
The bear would win 7 or 8 out of 10 times.
|
|
|
Post by brobear on Apr 15, 2021 3:17:20 GMT -5
Since a tiger has never been confirmed to have ever killed an adult bear as heavy as itself or heavier; and has never been known to have ever killed an adult male brown bear, I will give this male brown bear 19 out of 20 over a lion or a tiger - my opinion. ( Note: this bear will probably have a weight advantage of roughly 200 pounds ).
|
|
|
Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 15, 2021 7:23:00 GMT -5
Reply 205. The Asiatic lion can be introduced in other places around the world.
|
|
|
Post by Montezuma on Apr 15, 2021 23:13:44 GMT -5
I believe that,
Ussuri brown bear, Atlas bear, Serrian brown bear, Alaskan brown bear, Californian grizzly, Kamchatka bear, Kodiak bear, grizzly bears (over 300) and polar bears can win from any extant and extinct bigcat 19 out of 20 times or 20/20.
|
|
|
Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 16, 2021 0:57:34 GMT -5
I believe that, Ussuri brown bear, Atlas bear, Serrian brown bear, Alaskan brown bear, Californian grizzly, Kamchatka bear, Kodiak bear, grizzly bears (over 300) and polar bears can win from any extant and extinct bigcat 19 out of 20 times or 20/20. The male Ussuri brown bear is similar in weight with the smilodon populator and American lion. Weights too close to be 8 or 9/10. The other male brown bears would have between a 7-9/10 chance to win depending on weight difference. The male kodiak and polar bear will beat any big cat extinct or extant 10/10 in my opinion.
|
|
|
Post by brobear on Apr 16, 2021 1:14:53 GMT -5
For years, I heard it said over and over; "a bear needs a substantial weight advantage to defeat a big cat." I used to believe that, until I watched a video of a female sloth bear defending herself from a big male tiger. After that, my opinion was; at weight-parity, lion or tiger vs brown bear is a 50/50. But, more recently, I have taken the time to think this through. There is not one single confirmed incident of a tiger ever killing a bear ( any species or sex ) equal to his own weight. Therefore, my opinion has changed. At weight-parity ( even though the big cat has the advantages of head-and-body length and bipedal height ) I will give the brown bear a 7 out of 10. After that, as the bear's weight advantage rises, the less chance the big cat has. *Note: The only recorded case of a tiger killing a bear slightly heavier than herself was when a tigress ambushed and killed a fat juvenile brown bear. *Note: "a big cat needs a substantial weight advantage to defeat a brown bear."
|
|
|
Post by Montezuma on Apr 16, 2021 3:31:27 GMT -5
I believe
Bigger cat and smaller bear, cat wins 7 out 10 times.
Bigger bear and smaller cat, bear wins 9 out of 10 times.
At weight similarity, bear wins 7-8 out of 10 times because even at similar weight bear is stronger, more edurable and have more bigger skull and paw. Bears are unmatched in strength especially compared to any animal in size similarity.😎
|
|
|
Post by brobear on Apr 22, 2021 3:33:29 GMT -5
Going up against the big coastal variety of brown bear would be suicidal for a lone lion. The real question here is; how many lions would it take?
|
|
|
Post by brobear on Apr 25, 2021 5:36:27 GMT -5
Maximum Dimensions:
With a weight advantage of about 110 pounds, the lion takes this one
|
|
|
Post by brobear on Apr 28, 2021 6:21:55 GMT -5
Average Asian lion - 360.2 pounds. (n=9) vs Asiatic black bear - boar: 270 pounds. At average weights, the lion has a 90-pound weight advantage. If this fight were to go all-out to the death, the lion will likely kill the bear. But make no mistake; this bear will not be an easy kill. He will put up enough fight that, the next time this same lion sees another adult male bear, he will have second thoughts about choosing him as prey.
|
|
|
Post by Montezuma on May 11, 2021 16:59:18 GMT -5
By reading all about information on lion and bear, the debate is over due to several reasons and it is clear that an adult male brown bear would win 7-9 out of 10 times against african lion from similar size to size advantage for bear.
● The information on brown bears and lions clearly shows that the bear has many advantages over lion.
● It is confirmed that california grizzly bears almost always killed the most fiercest and strongest african lions.
● Spanish people have stated that grizzlies are more dangerous, stronger and could easily kill lions.
● It has been proved that in roman arenas,bears always killed the largest lion i.e. Barbary lions.
● Some hounorable lionfans like Starfox etc had admitted without any problem that a brown bear would mostly win from a lion.
● Many famous experts like Clyde beatty or Frank buck etc have favoured the bear over lion.
Note:- These points are based to facts and history.😎
|
|
|
Post by King Kodiak on May 14, 2021 18:24:14 GMT -5
Just for reliability sake, there was only 1 fight between a grizzly and a lion in California, and the bear "Ramadam" killed the African lion "Parnell" "like a cat would a rat", he killed him so fast that the audience hardly knew what had happened. But that was the only fight.
|
|