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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 14, 2021 5:24:27 GMT -5
To be more accurate, I would say a big yellowish white dog since polar bears fur turn yellowish white as they get older due to sun oxidation and seal blubber.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Jun 19, 2021 10:35:06 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 19, 2021 10:47:26 GMT -5
/\ The male buffalo definately looks bulkier. Could you a comparison between a male and female polar bear, please?
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Post by theundertaker45 on Jun 19, 2021 14:24:56 GMT -5
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Post by theundertaker45 on Jun 20, 2021 6:12:35 GMT -5
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Post by theundertaker45 on Jun 20, 2021 13:56:58 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Aug 10, 2021 2:21:07 GMT -5
I believe this to be some very good work nocapakabl.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Aug 23, 2021 5:25:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 5:58:20 GMT -5
theundertaker45 Nice comparison picture for brown bear and Siberian tiger. That bear photo is a good find, finally a bear which looks like adult and fully grown. Not some juvenile bear scaled up giving very false image for bear overall, when such "lanky boy" scaled to shoulder height of an adult leaving body length short too. Your picture now gives quite realistic image of what it is when talking about adult individuals in good condition.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 7:29:14 GMT -5
I put this video here, because I think that often when watching something like this most people are paying attention only to it, how extraordinary friendship they see in captivity. But this is interesting in size comparison way too.
In this video is said, that this American black bear and Bengal tiger are 12 years old. I don´t remember age of the lion, but I assume that he is very close to same age. So here three captive individuals and obviously all get as much food as they need and maybe a bit more.
Still there is a lot of material of these three and heads are often side by side giving a good situation to compare. In other videos there are more different situations to compare height of bodies, when walking normally etc. There aren´t many bears and tigers or bears and lions in same enclosures to make possible to see what it looks like.
Even though black bear isn´t usually as big as brown bear, I guess that Baloo might be quite big black bear and maybe coming close to average grizzly. Biggest black bears are close to such sizes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 17:09:03 GMT -5
Just to add a bit what comes to my previous posting. I noticed, that these three were found from the same place as cubs, so almost same age all three. And truly sad story how they were found, but nice thing is that they were found and rescued from people, who shouldn´t have any animals at all. Pretty unique trio to have in same enclosure and that is one big black bear, in one photo it´s sitting right next to a man and is approximately as tall as the man while it sits. This photo: ![](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTL2o8WDojEznLMtXDxoWAUljOrVUWA1H-YZelfyUs1RM7DA2U2aUO2rFq7NaS8V4H_VJc&usqp=CAU) In some photos, when they were young, tiger and lion looks bigger, but when grown up, bear looks to be clearly biggest and most robust, even when taking into account some overweight.
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Post by brobear on Aug 24, 2021 3:10:38 GMT -5
A somewhat similar story here. In a zoo, I cannot remember exact location, Hokkaido brown bear cubs and African lion cubs of a similar age were raised together in same enclosure. In this infamous video, although they are the same age ( in years ), the lions are full-grown and fully matured. The bears are still subadults. It simply takes bears longer to mature.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 4:46:49 GMT -5
A somewhat similar story here. In a zoo, I cannot remember exact location, Hokkaido brown bear cubs and African lion cubs of a similar age were raised together in same enclosure. In this infamous video, although they are the same age ( in years ), the lions are full-grown and fully matured. The bears are still subadults. It simply takes bears longer to mature. It´s the only way to have this different species in same enclosure with some possibility to have them coming along in a good way. Here male lion isn´t castrated so his true nature is clearly visible. I have often figured that it would go in this way, lion takes the place as leader when food is there, they have after all in their DNA, so to say, to be the boss. Bears have time to learn how their maned "brother" acts and they learn when better to let it be to avoid fight. I think that bears are smart enough to understand, that there is enough food for all even though lion eats first.
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Post by brobear on Aug 24, 2021 4:57:31 GMT -5
Agreed. I first saw this in the old ( now extinct ) AVA forum. The lion fanboys loved it until the truth was learned. Soon after this video was made, these animals were separated. The zoo officials knew that once the bears began to fully mature, their living together in such a small enclosure would not be possible. These bears still have hundreds of pounds to gain. They would become less playful and more serious.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 5:31:51 GMT -5
Agreed. I first saw this in the old ( now extinct ) AVA forum. The lion fanboys loved it until the truth was learned. Soon after this video was made, these animals were separated. The zoo officials knew that once the bears began to fully mature, their living together in such a small enclosure would not be possible. These bears still have hundreds of pounds to gain. They would become less playful and more serious. There is a risk always. It could be, that bears would be just fine letting lion to be in charge. But when knowing how possessive male lions can be towards lionesses too when mating time, it might create maybe even bigger risk to conflicts. Having a killed lion or bear there in front of people would be bad advertising. Well, unless this zoo is in China, they have tradition to treat animals in most cruel ways. But very nice if in this case they did as you told and all are fine. Which zoo this is and where?
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Post by brobear on Aug 24, 2021 5:49:24 GMT -5
Which zoo this is and where? This was answered back decades ago in the old AVA ( Animal vs Animal ); not to be confused with "Animals vs Animals" which was another forum. One of the "elite" posters contacted that zoo and got some information. I do remember that Peter, Ursusarctosmiddendorffi, and probably Warsaw were involved. Any answer I give you, at this point, would be guessing. I just can't remember.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2021 5:55:57 GMT -5
Yeah, well most important thing is that nothing serious happened there. In some zoos they don´t care a bit about animals, all what matters is to get visitors and money.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Aug 27, 2021 7:02:13 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2021 8:35:56 GMT -5
theundertaker45 I think that Ussuri brown bear and Eurasian brown bear comparison is one, which can be discussed. Based on what I´ve seen from different studies, I´m not too sure that there is much, if at all, difference between bears living in Ussuri-Amur regions and for instance in Finland, what comes to size overall. Our big bears can be anything in between 300-400 kg and it´s quite the same in Russia too, when excluding Kamchatka peninsula. Russians often say, that Ussuri brown bears can be over 500 kg, but I wonder are there real weighed bears that big? From Hokkaido is information about some big ones, then again that population has been isolated for a long time even though they often are considered as same bears. Maybe I have missed something what comes to studies? Do you have some solid information concerning Ussuri brown bears which would have been weighed to be over 400 kg and from Russian mainland, not from Japan? I ask this to open up a bit discussion, which could be continued in some other more suitable thread.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Aug 27, 2021 9:13:40 GMT -5
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Yeah, I agree; the two subspecies here seem to overlap heavily in terms of weight (both on average and at maximum size); I think we shared some data on brown bear hunting in Romania in the respective thread on Eurasian brown bears and the average shoulder height of an adult male was about 110cm, so I stuck to that and compared it with the data that we have for Ussuri brown bears (their maximum shoulder height is practically identical when looking at the largest specimens of the sample though). Interestingly, in Mammals of the Soviet Union they describe Ursus arctos arctos (Middle Russian Bear in their book) as a bear of moderate size with a greatest skull length of up to 388mm and a maximum weight of 320-350kg whereas the Ussuri brown bear is described as having a greatest skull length of up to 455mm and similar in size to the Kamchatka brown bear. Looking at actual weight samples of the two, we can see that they overlap; although there are heavy regional differences in terms of size when we look at Ursus arctos arctos; a more widespread subspecies and hence a higher fluctuation. As far as I know the biggest Ussuri brown bear weighed under scientific terms on the Russian Mainland weighed ~363kg; in Hokkaido there was one bear exceeding 500kg (520kg to be precise I think). As far as hunting literature goes, I seemingly couldn't find anything on a record Ussuri brown bear, although the largest skull is very impressive having a total score of 729mm or 28.7in which is just about 2in short from the world record Alaskan (Kodiak) brown bear skull.
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