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Post by brobear on Mar 31, 2020 2:16:48 GMT -5
Continued.... A bull moose is even more formidable, being able to strike the most lighting-like blows with his terrible forefeet, his true weapons of defense. I doubt if any beast of prey would rush in on one of these woodland giants, when his horns were grown, and if he was on his guard and bent on fight. Nevertheless, the moose sometimes fall victims to the uncouth prowess of the grizzly, in the thick wet forests of the high northern Rockies, where both beasts dwell. An old hunter who a dozen years ago wintered at Jackson Lake, in northwestern Wyoming, told me that when the snows got deep on the mountains the moose came down and took up their abode near the lake, on its western side. Nothing molested tham during the winter. Early in the spring a grizzly came out of its den, and he found its tracks in many places, as it roamed restlessly about, evidently very hungry. Finding little to eat in the bleak, snow-drifted woods, it soon began to depredate on the moose, and killed two or three, generally by lying in wait and dashing out on them as they passed near its lurking-place. Even the bulls were at season weak, and of course hornless, with small desire to fight; and in each case the rush of the great bear - doubtless made with the ferocity and speed which so often belie the seeming awkwardness of the animal - bore down the startled victim, taken utterly unawares before it had a chance to defend itself. In one case the bear had missed its spring; the moose going off, for a few rods, with huge jumps, and then settled down into its characteristic trot. The old hunter who followed the tracks said he would never have deemed it possible for any animal to make such strides while in a trot. American Bears - Selections from the Writings of Theodore Roosevelt. Old Ephraim, The Grizzly Bear.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Apr 12, 2020 5:58:24 GMT -5
Here is an account of a male black bear ambushing and successfully killing a cow moose after a violent struggle; it was suspected that the bear possibly broke her neck by twisting his head/suffocated her by covering her muzzle. Especially the last part of this study is interesting as black bears may regularly prey upon adult moose when brown bears are absent. This might implicate that American black bears can actually be solid predators under the right circumstances and are capable of hunting prey items more than twice their size quite regularly.
Black Bear killing an adult female Moose.pdf (810.24 KB)
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Post by brobear on Apr 12, 2020 6:20:07 GMT -5
Very interesting read. I take it this occurred in the North Eastern Canadian N. America?
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Post by theundertaker45 on Apr 12, 2020 6:26:33 GMT -5
brobearThe instance was recorded in the Chapleau Crown Game Reserve, Ontario, Canada during the summer of 1992.
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Post by brobear on Apr 12, 2020 6:35:37 GMT -5
brobear The instance was recorded in the Chapleau Crown Game Reserve, Ontario, Canada during the summer of 1992. Thank you; no grizzlies thus bigger black bears. Interesting their predation habits. I know that here is the Southeast ( Georgia, Carolinas, Florida, and Alabama ) but mostly Georgia, people go hog hunting frequently. Some tell of finding hogs, even big boars, that have been fed upon by black bears. It is assumed ( of course ) that these feral hogs are hunted and killed by the bears. No real evidence of this but I don't find it hard to believe.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 15, 2020 17:16:05 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 16, 2020 17:45:57 GMT -5
Here is an account of a male black bear ambushing and successfully killing a cow moose after a violent struggle; it was suspected that the bear possibly broke her neck by twisting his head/suffocated her by covering her muzzle. Especially the last part of this study is interesting as black bears may regularly prey upon adult moose when brown bears are absent. This might implicate that American black bears can actually be solid predators under the right circumstances and are capable of hunting prey items more than twice their size quite regularly.
A veteran bear enthusiast named Big Bons used to say that exceptionally large male American black bears become bolder and more predatory than other black bears. American black bears become apex predators in the absence of grizzlies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 11:17:40 GMT -5
EVIDENCE FOR FATAL INJURY INFLICTED ON A FEMALE BLACK BEAR BY A MOOSEAbstract: Predators may risk injury or death when attacking large prey. Black bears (Ursus americanus) are known predators of young moose (Alces alces), which may be defended from predators by their mothers. We report evidence that a radio-collared adult female black bear was killed by a cow moose during a presumed predatory attack. This observation suggests that moose are dangerous prey for black bears. Link : EVIDENCE FOR FATAL INJURY INFLICTED ON A FEMALE BLACK BEAR BY A MOOSEGuess where it happened ? Chapleau, Ontario, Canada !!!!
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 22, 2020 18:26:44 GMT -5
Great find Normal guy. Yeah, i never doubted that any prey is dangerous for a bear, especially an adult female black bear. Prey items can definitely be dangerous.
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 12, 2020 11:41:11 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 13, 2020 4:17:57 GMT -5
I think a both a male kodiak and polar bear can kill all three ungulates. They are dangerous to American black bears, however.
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Post by brobear on Aug 13, 2020 4:32:33 GMT -5
I think a both a male kodiak and polar bear can kill all three ungulates. They are dangerous to American black bears, however. Adult male moose do not sport those magnificent antlers year-round. Whether or not black bears hunt and kill mature bull moose; I don't know.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 13, 2020 7:05:41 GMT -5
A large male Haida Gwaii American black bear can probably do so.
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 13, 2020 8:22:59 GMT -5
I think a both a male kodiak and polar bear can kill all three ungulates. They are dangerous to American black bears, however. Adult male moose do not sport those magnificent antlers year-round. Whether or not black bears hunt and kill mature bull moose; I don't know. Am not so sure either. More research will have to be done. But at reply #25, we have an account of a black bear that killed an adult female moose in Ontario, Canada. Reply #21 also has an account of a black bear killing a cow moose by ambush.
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Post by brobear on Aug 13, 2020 8:49:21 GMT -5
Adult male moose do not sport those magnificent antlers year-round. Whether or not black bears hunt and kill mature bull moose; I don't know. Am not so sure either. More research will have to be done. But at reply #25, we have an account of a black bear that killed an adult female moose in Ontario, Canada. Reply #21 also has an account of a black bear killing a cow moose by ambush.
Perhaps a really big 700+ pound black bear might attempt it.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 13, 2020 10:20:53 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 13, 2020 10:22:34 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 13, 2020 10:30:37 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 13, 2020 10:34:01 GMT -5
Musk oxens lived with woolly mammoths once upon a time.
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Post by brobear on Dec 6, 2020 13:34:31 GMT -5
European Bison vs Giant Eland
Brown bears, such as the grizzlies and the Carpathian brown bear have been known to kill adult bison and moose.. I see no reason to think that a brown bear cannot kill an eland.
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