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Post by brobear on Dec 1, 2019 8:05:13 GMT -5
OK; I'm not going to spend hours searching for specific posts, but many posters ( including both bear and big cat enthusiasts ) believe that the big cats are more powerful than a grizzly. They claim that there is a difference between strength and power. OK... not a problem. These posters claim: a big cat can run faster, excelerate quicker, jump higher, and jump further. OK... not a problem. A cat is built differently from a bear. A more flexible spine. Short thighs, long shin, and a long foot designed for walking/running on toes. A different design does not mean more power.  *Consider this: Power means energy ( am I right ? ). While a bear is not designed for running fast and leaping high/far... he can beat a big cat in a long-distant race. Stamina comes from energy ( am I right ? ). |
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Post by brobear on Dec 2, 2019 2:54:26 GMT -5
www.livestrong.com/article/507621-differences-between-muscular-strength-and-power/ Strength is the ability of your nervous and muscular systems to produce enough internal force in your connective tissues and muscles to move an external force, such as weight or your body against gravity. Unlike power, strength requires no quick movements to produce force nor does it take time as a factor for work. For example, a strong person may take three to five seconds to stand up during a heavy barbell squat, but a powerful person can stand back up in one second. Strength, power and endurance are all forms of muscular ability. While excelling in some sports requires a greater proportion of one type of muscular ability, most sports require all three. Your ability to move weight, move it with speed and continue moving it for extended periods of time will help you be a better all-around athlete. A comprehensive training program includes phases that improve all three.
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Post by brobear on Dec 2, 2019 3:18:03 GMT -5
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/power POWER, FORCE, ENERGY, STRENGTH, might mean the ability to exert effort. POWER may imply latent or exerted physical, mental, or spiritual ability to act or be acted upon. the awesome power of flowing water FORCE implies the actual effective exercise of power. used enough force to push the door open ENERGY applies to power expended or capable of being transformed into work. a worker with boundless energy STRENGTH applies to the quality or property of a person or thing that makes possible the exertion of force or the withstanding of strain, pressure, or attack. use weight training to build your strength MIGHT implies great or overwhelming power or strength.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 2, 2019 6:12:13 GMT -5
Apparently yes, there is a small difference between power and strength...
Power and strength are often seen as synonymous words as they both depict an ability to do something and the state of being at an advantage. However, these two have different meanings and it may sometimes sound strange if they would be used interchangeably. Power is the combination of force and speed while strength generally focuses on force. The following discussions further delve into their distinctions.
Full article:
www.differencebetween.net/language/words-language/difference-between-power-and-strength/
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Post by brobear on Dec 2, 2019 6:18:13 GMT -5
So; which is more powerful, a grizzly or a lion?
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 2, 2019 6:20:56 GMT -5
Reading this last article, i think that "strength" would apply to a bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 2, 2019 6:22:58 GMT -5
So; which is more powerful, a grizzly or a lion? |
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 2, 2019 6:30:29 GMT -5
Speed: strength does not focus on speed. (Sounds like a bear)
Lifting: strength is highly used. (Sounds like a bear)
So "strength" is what the bear would have more over big cats, that is for sure.
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Post by brobear on Dec 2, 2019 6:35:58 GMT -5
Power vs Strength vs Stamina vs Endurance: Grizzly has superior *Strength and superior Stamina. Probably superior Endurance ( more durable ). Power is in question. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 2, 2019 6:58:23 GMT -5
Power vs Strength vs Stamina vs Endurance: Grizzly has superior *Strength and superior Stamina. Probably superior Endurance ( more durable ). Power is in question.
From the chart above:
Speed: power is a combination of force and speed. (Sounds like a big cat)
Lifting: power is not that used. (Sounds like a big cat also)
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 2, 2019 7:00:50 GMT -5
So up to now, reading all this, i would say that bears have more "strength" than big cats while big cats have more "power".
This is a good thread you made brobear because for the first time, we are seeing the differences between strength and power.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 2, 2019 7:07:51 GMT -5
The bears shorter back bone reduces its speed but makes up for strength and its bulky built gives it powerful forearms. Big cats are powerful animals too but their elongated spine and reduce collar bones puts their strength beneath that of bears.
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Post by brobear on Dec 10, 2019 3:45:45 GMT -5
So up to now, reading all this, i would say that bears have more "strength" than big cats while big cats have more "power".
This is a good thread you made brobear because for the first time, we are seeing the differences between strength and power. You just might be right about the big cats having more power. However, consider that the long spine and dog-legs ( short thigh w. long shin and foot ) is a design for speed. Even with a body plan clearly not designed for speed, the bear ( especially the grizzly ) is not far behind the big cats in running speed. Never-the-less, I must admit that the big cats have a slight edge over the bears in the department of raw power. *We must refrain from saying that the bear is more powerful than the big cat. |
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 10, 2019 3:48:09 GMT -5
Bears are still stronger pound to pound.
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Post by brobear on Dec 10, 2019 3:57:24 GMT -5
Bears are still stronger pound to pound. Power - big cats. Strength - bears. Stamina - bears. Endurance - bears. Stamina: www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stamina 1- the bodily or mental capacity to sustain a prolonged stressful effort or activity. 2- the moral or emotional strength to continue with a difficult process, effort, etc. Endurance: www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/endurance 1- the ability to withstand hardship or adversity - especially : the ability to sustain a prolonged stressful effort or activity. 2- the act or an instance of enduring or suffering. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 10, 2019 6:04:10 GMT -5
Bears are still stronger pound to pound. |
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Post by brobear on Dec 15, 2019 3:52:52 GMT -5
It is the tiger that has more power in terms of body movement. In physics, we define power as the product of force and time divided by the time interval which it occurs, i.e., W = Fd, and P = W/(t_fin. - t_int.), therefore P = Fd/(t_fin. - t_int.), which simplies to P = Fv (this is holds true because velocity is just distance divided by time), where F is force, d is distance, t is time, W is work, and v is velocity. Consider a tiger and brown bear of the same mass. If it was the case that the brown bear was more powerful, than it would have to be faster than the tiger, which most all evidence disagrees with; the tiger, being a more streamlined animal with a spine of greater flexibility can generate more power when running. The fact that big cats such as the lion and tiger can accelerate faster while running also suggests they can generate more net force while accelerating than would a bear of comparable size.
With that said, Fallenmonk is incorrect on several of his points. Firstly, simply because the brown bear is not as powerful in body movement as the tiger does not imply it is not more powerful in other areas. The forelimbs of brown bears, for example, are more powerful than those of a tiger, a bear being capable of removing several large boulders in an area far faster than a big cat. Also, tigers, like all other extant cat species, have poor endurance; this is well-documented by researchers: the fast-twitch muscle fibers that tigers and other large cats possess amply allows them to be highly explosive but results in rapid lactic acid buildup. Also, smaller lungs further contributes to the problem. I'd like to see evidence or a source that the ungulates that tigers prey on have greater endurance than bears--while the bear is in general a different animal than these such ungulates and has flexible forelimbs (more flexible than those of the tiger, which I will explain later) I'd still like to see a source that confirms this statement.
Your statement and reasoning for the "claw length" subject is prodigously off. Claw length, an attribute that aids an animal in how deeply it can sink its claws into another animal, is very important in a face off where both animals use their claws frequently when fighting regardless of whether the tiger can "manuever its paws to a greater extent than the bear. Your statement that the tiger's "paws and forelimbs" are more flexible than those of a bruin's is incorrect regardless.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 16, 2019 3:23:29 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Dec 16, 2019 4:27:39 GMT -5
Tiger vs polar bear is not even a contest. Nothing more than a killing. Tiger / Polar Bear = Ant / Boot.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 16, 2019 5:15:16 GMT -5
Tiger vs polar bear is not even a contest. Nothing more than a killing. Tiger / Polar Bear = Ant / Boot. Yeah its a total mismatch in favour of the polar bear. However, a male barren ground grizzly at weight parity would be stronger than both a tiger and lion at parity due to its body and bone structure. |
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