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Post by King Kodiak on May 24, 2020 19:32:16 GMT -5
Yeah, i think that is a famous tiger called "Raja", a rare brave specimen of a tiger because he attacked head on, but even this being a famous and "brave" specimen, he still retreated at the end. And there are basically no other videos like this.
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Post by brobear on May 24, 2020 19:34:49 GMT -5
Yeah, i think that is a famous tiger called "Raja", a rare brave specimen of a tiger because he attacked head on, but even this being a famous and "brave" specimen, he still retreated at the end. And there are basically no other videos like this. I honestly believe that those are domestic buffalo cows. Water buffaloes are big; those cows appeared no larger than farm cows.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 24, 2020 19:52:04 GMT -5
I agree brobear. Remember that tigers are specialized at sensing and attacking the weakest prey possible.
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Post by brobear on May 25, 2020 6:34:08 GMT -5
I agree brobear. Remember that tigers are specialized at sensing and attacking the weakest prey possible. Warsaw confirms - Quote: "....Notice that we have "domestic water buffalo" of various size ,age and conditions."
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 25, 2020 6:43:11 GMT -5
Even the most powerful bears like the cave bears and steppe brown bears cannot defeat an elephant. The white rhino and hippo also easily gets killed by huge male tuskers. No big cat can kill an elephant one on one.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 25, 2020 8:38:29 GMT -5
Even the most powerful bears like the cave bears and steppe brown bears cannot defeat an elephant. The white rhino and hippo also easily gets killed by huge male tuskers. No big cat can kill an elephant one on one. Thats right mate. Maybe a pride of lions can pull it off, but there are still no accounts of them taking down the largest bull tuskers, so what is a single tiger going to do? Tigers run away from elephants as shown in reply #55.
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Post by brobear on May 25, 2020 9:14:42 GMT -5
Even the most powerful bears like the cave bears and steppe brown bears cannot defeat an elephant. The white rhino and hippo also easily gets killed by huge male tuskers. No big cat can kill an elephant one on one. Thats right mate. Maybe a pride of lions can pull it off, but there are still no accounts of them taking down the largest bull tuskers, so what is a single tiger going to do? Tigers run away from elephants as shown in reply #55.That one particular pride of lions ( a huge pride ) hunts juvenile elephants at night. An elephant's night vision is no better than a human's. Some of those juveniles killed by these lions are equal in size to full-grown Asian elephants. johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/life_history/risk/lion_elephant_predation_2006.html Over the 4 years, we observed a total of 74 elephants killed by lions, including eleven elephants in 1993, seventeen in 1994, nineteen in 1995, and 27 in 1996, suggesting an increasing hunting success rate. All the elephants killed, with one exception, were from breeding herds (females and young). The exception was an adult bull, previously wounded by another bull, who remained alive for several days before eventually being killed by the lions. The great majority of the young elephants killed were males, and two-thirds of the kills were of elephants in the age range 4-15 years, with highest hunting success achieved for elephants aged 4-9 years (Table 1). The animals killed were commonly on the periphery of, or straggling behind, the breeding herds, with nearly half killed more than 50 m away from the main herd. Hunts were less commonly attempted on calves which were under the age of 4 years, which remained more closely associated with their mothers. Hunting success for elephants older than 4 years apparently doubled from 33% (n = 9) in 1993 to 62% (n = 61) in 1996. Many attempts to kill adults bulls were made in 1996, when we saw lions attacking elephant bulls almost nightly although only one hunt was successful. All except one of the kills were made at night, and hunts occurred more commonly on dark moon nights than when the moon was bright.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 25, 2020 10:02:30 GMT -5
Makes sense.
Only 1 adult bull, which was already wounded by another bull. So not even a lion pride that specializes in elephants can kill a healthy adult bull.
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Post by brobear on May 25, 2020 15:09:03 GMT -5
From Warsaw: Schaller state
"Adult tigers give the impression of being very cautious, attacking only when the danger of being injured is minimal. Even domestic buffalo can be dangerous opponents since they have been known to charge tigers and drive them away"
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Post by brobear on May 25, 2020 15:12:51 GMT -5
It was in this environment that the Lion pride, counted at over 30 individuals, specialized in killing elephants. The Botswana wilderness.
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Post by theundertaker45 on May 25, 2020 17:39:27 GMT -5
Any elephant/rhino would be able to steamroll a lion/tiger in a fair face-off. Maybe they could take out a Sumatran rhino in a few instances when playing all of their cards right, however, they would be physically overwhelmed and get trampled the vast majority of the time imo; even against the smallest extant species of rhinoceros.
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Post by brobear on May 25, 2020 17:54:09 GMT -5
Any elephant/rhino would be able to steamroll a lion/tiger in a fair face-off. Maybe they could take out a Sumatran rhino in a few instances when playing all of their cards right, however, they would be physically overwhelmed and get trampled the vast majority of the time imo; even against the smallest extant species of rhinoceros. In all reality; does a big cat ever take anything down, as big or bigger than themselves, in an actual face-to-face confrontation - other than their own species? *Edit and add: This is honestly not meant as a jab at big cats. They have their own basic natural behavior which is completely understandable.
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Post by theundertaker45 on May 25, 2020 18:03:13 GMT -5
brobear If I remember correctly, I once read a report of an African wildlife photographer picturing a leopardess taking on a charging warthog; of course that was no peak specimen, however, it was still bigger than the leopardess and she managed to dodge its charge with an acrobatic display of agility by leaping herself into the air and somehow managing to deliver a deadly bite in the process.
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Post by brobear on May 25, 2020 18:23:20 GMT -5
brobear If I remember correctly, I once read a report of an African wildlife photographer picturing a leopardess taking on a charging warthog; of course that was no peak specimen, however, it was still bigger than the leopardess and she managed to dodge its charge with an acrobatic display of agility by leaping herself into the air and somehow managing to deliver a deadly bite in the process. Not difficult to believe. I have also seen jaguars performing some ( what I would consider ) some daredevil stuntman attacks on caimans.
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Post by theundertaker45 on May 25, 2020 18:30:16 GMT -5
brobear I could very well imagine that Sumatran tigers delivered such "leapfrog attacks" on the calves/subadult specimens of Sumatran rhinos using the trees as their tools, maybe even adults on very rare occasions; back in the day when their populations flourished of course.
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Post by brobear on May 25, 2020 18:42:44 GMT -5
brobear I could very well imagine that Sumatran tigers delivered such "leapfrog attacks" on the calves/subadult specimens of Sumatran rhinos using the trees as their tools, maybe even adults on very rare occasions; back in the day when their populations flourished of course. Have you ever watched the documentary ( very recent ) where a snow leopard knocks a goat off of a high cliff and goes down with it? Incredible!
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Post by theundertaker45 on May 25, 2020 18:45:35 GMT -5
brobearI need to see that, can you link it here?
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Post by brobear on May 25, 2020 18:47:59 GMT -5
brobear I need to see that, can you link it here? I watched it on TV ... that would be an awesome video to have here.
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Post by brobear on May 25, 2020 18:51:53 GMT -5
brobear I need to see that, can you link it here? I watched it on TV ... that would be an awesome video to have here. This might be it: www.bbcearth.com/bigcats/
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Post by King Kodiak on May 28, 2020 13:08:34 GMT -5
"TIGERS KILL AND DOMINATE BULL TUSKER ELEPHANTS"
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