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Post by brobear on Mar 11, 2020 3:52:48 GMT -5
After reading all of your responses ( good stuff ), here are my thoughts on the picture on Reply #140: The tiger's ears are back because he is unsure of what the bear might do next. The tiger had probably been attempting to stalk the bear, but was discovered. Now, the tiger is hoping that the bear will turn his back to him. Sometimes, a sloth bear will panic and run, in which case the tiger will pursue him and kill him. In other words, the tiger is waiting in defensive posture.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 11, 2020 6:24:51 GMT -5
After reading all of your responses ( good stuff ), here are my thoughts on the picture on Reply #140: The tiger's ears are back because he is unsure of what the bear might do next. The tiger had probably been attempting to stalk the bear, but was discovered. Now, the tiger is hoping that the bear will turn his back to him. Sometimes, a sloth bear will panic and run, in which case the tiger will pursue him and kill him. In other words, the tiger is waiting in defensive posture. If you look at reply #155, its the other way around, it says the sloth bear does not have the ears pulled back and it says that is a defensive posture. This means that the tiger has its ears pulled back in a submissive postute.
"Sloth bear/tiger interaction demonstrating a sloth bear's aggressive stance toward a tiger; the bear's ears are not pulled back in a defensive posture (photograph by Julien Boul?).
Another tiger/sloth bear confrontation photographed by Julien Boulé shows a sloth bear aggressively squaring off with a tiger and holding its ground (Figure 2). Once again, the tiger's ears are pulled back while the sloth bear's are not. ..."
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Post by tom on Mar 11, 2020 10:24:29 GMT -5
Sometimes it's hard to tell by a picture alone. The video of the Lion and tiger you can clearly see that the tiger is submitting but looking at the picture of the same thing it's not a slam dunk.
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Post by brobear on Mar 11, 2020 13:52:48 GMT -5
Tigers prey on sloth bears. We are all aware that a sloth bear can be a noisy eater which makes it easy ( during the bear's feeding time ) for the tiger to make a successful ambush. A sloth bear will avoid a tiger when possible. Common sense. Why look for trouble. The tiger is a proficient predator double the size of the bear.
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Post by brobear on Mar 11, 2020 14:22:59 GMT -5
Tiger / Sloth Bear:
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Post by brobear on Mar 11, 2020 14:24:01 GMT -5
Tiger / Sloth Bear.
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Post by brobear on Mar 11, 2020 14:25:03 GMT -5
I read this interaction a bit differently.... sloth bear retreats back to avoid an encounter ( this is true ). The tiger chases the bear further away and then returns when he is satisfied that the bear is far enough away ( bologna ). The tiger saw the retreating bear as prey. But when the bear faced the tiger, then the tiger retreated back to the water.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 11, 2020 18:56:00 GMT -5
Reply #162. We can speculate, but in my opinion, that was a rare coward specimen of a sloth bear. I dont like to give excuses like cat fans, the bear retreated from a subadult tigress, that is what we see on the video. What happened later we cant see it and we can only speculate. We have to remember that every animal has "coward specimens", and we already know for a fact that the tiger has the most coward specimens by far, almost on a species level i would say.
Am sorry, but that bear does not deserve to be called "sloth bear".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 19:00:34 GMT -5
The so called "Coward Cat" is the strongest cat on the planet
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 11, 2020 19:02:43 GMT -5
The so called "Coward Cat" is the strongest cat on the planet Strongest maybe....but also the most cowardly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 19:05:02 GMT -5
Then who is the bravest
I will admit 99% of tiger kills are by ambush
But there are a Few accounts of tigers killing powerful animals in face to face
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 11, 2020 19:09:23 GMT -5
Then who is the bravest I will admit 99% of tiger kills are by ambush But there are a Few accounts of tigers killing powerful animals in face to face Who is the bravest? That is very easy, the lion, by far buddy.
See here: about 30 accounts of tigers being called "cowards" even by trainers, hunters, and Indian sources.
www.tapatalk.com/groups/wildanimalwarfare/tiger-the-coward-animal-t90.html
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 19:13:26 GMT -5
Ok I dont want to debate this but tigers are finest predators lets not get into a fight about it
This is a bear forum lets get back to the topic
Who do you think wins a fight between an asiatic black bear vs sloth bear
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 11, 2020 19:22:33 GMT -5
At same weights, The Asiatic black bear would win more often than not. It has a more broader and muscular body than the sloth bear. The sloth bear has longer claws.
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Post by brobear on Mar 11, 2020 23:52:47 GMT -5
Reply #162. We can speculate, but in my opinion, that was a rare coward specimen of a sloth bear. I dont like to give excuses like cat fans, the bear retreated from a subadult tigress, that is what we see on the video. What happened later we cant see it and we can only speculate. We have to remember that every animal has "coward specimens", and we already know for a fact that the tiger has the most coward specimens by far, almost on a species level i would say.
Am sorry, but that bear does not deserve to be called "sloth bear". No, this bear was displaying typical sloth bear behavior. A sloth bear will avoid a tiger when possible. He is not looking for trouble; especially with a predator double his own size. Also, as I have mentioned often here, a tiger displays typical cat behavior. He is no more coward than a cougar, a leopard, a lynx, or any other cat. But he receives this label because of his size and strength; the spotlight falls on him. The tiger is indeed the biggest and strongest of living cats. But, as is typical cat behavior, he dislikes face-to-face confrontations. Neither of these two were acting out-of-character. Copy and add: The sloth bear received his name because when first discovered, he was thought to be an actual bear-like sloth and so was called the bear sloth. Later, when he was proven to be an actual bear, his moniker was changed to sloth bear.
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Post by brobear on Mar 12, 2020 1:17:50 GMT -5
Sloth bear / Bengal tiger
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Post by brobear on Mar 12, 2020 4:14:31 GMT -5
By Shadow - and I agree: I agree 100% that sloth bears aren´t there looking for trouble. They just act as they have to when threatened. They live there with tigers and leopards and dholes, there is no room to be soft when threatened, that would be simply suicidal. When I wrote, that the bear which Fateh Singh observed was either knowing very well what it was doing or then mental case, that was of course half joke. But that kind of behavior is very dangerous, so half serious. Then again their nonchalant behavior is simply funny to watch so often, it´s interesting to see how it can behave in such ways as it does. One of my absolutely favorite animals, let it be and it minds it´s own business
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 12, 2020 5:14:13 GMT -5
For the tiger being the "predator" and the sloth bear being the "prey" , the tiger avoids the sloth bear much more than the other way around, especially when face to face. And for this we do have plenty of videos and accounts.
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Post by brobear on Mar 12, 2020 5:56:32 GMT -5
For the tiger being the "predator" and the sloth bear being the "prey" , the tiger avoids the sloth bear much more than the other way around, especially when face to face. And for this we do have plenty of videos and accounts. Yes, this is understood. But tigers hunt sloth bears - that is not avoidance. Tigers do not avoid sloth bears, they actively seek them out. Of course, as is typical cat behavior, the tiger's plan is to sneak up on an unsuspecting bear, ambush him, and make a quick kill. Tigers are very good at this and are more often than not successful at it. However, should the bear spot the tiger before the big cat can launch his attack ( in most cases ) the bear will stand his ground and the tiger will walk away to seek other prey. Just like in the video, when a sloth bear happens onto a scene where there is a tiger ( not one stalking him ) the bear will avoid a confrontation. No need for any unnecessary risk.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 12, 2020 6:32:24 GMT -5
Right, but when its strictly a face to face situation, its the tiger that retreats most times. Plenty of videos show this.
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