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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 18, 2019 5:46:26 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 18, 2019 5:59:40 GMT -5
Brobear: clean up this thread if you can. That account is posted like 4 times, it does not belong here. That belongs to the Himalayan black bear (ursus Thibetanus laniger). The Tibetan brown bear has very low numbers, is very isolated and rarely (if any) interacts with tigers, maybe in Bhutan, but very doubtful.
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Post by brobear on Nov 18, 2019 8:25:09 GMT -5
Actually, in the second article, Jim Corbett is talking about a Himalayan black bear (Ursus thibetanus laniger). He is talking about this famous account here: ( said account included ). Jim Corbett says: "This to a Himalayan bear who fears nothing, and will, As I have on *several occasions seen, drive a tiger away from its kill, was no deterrent, but..." Spotlight - on several occasions.
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Post by brobear on Nov 18, 2019 8:30:53 GMT -5
Brobear: clean up this thread if you can. That account is posted like 4 times, it does not belong here. That belongs to the Himalayan black bear (ursus Thibetanus laniger). The Tibetan brown bear has very low numbers, is very isolated and rarely (if any) interacts with tigers, maybe in Bhutan, but very doubtful.
I'll leave it. But now we know. The confusion is over. Jim Corbett spoke of "the Himalayan bear" as if there were only one bear species native to those mountains. But now we know - the Himalayan black bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 18, 2019 10:14:18 GMT -5
Actually, in the second article, Jim Corbett is talking about a Himalayan black bear (Ursus thibetanus laniger). He is talking about this famous account here: ( said account included ). Jim Corbett says: "This to a Himalayan bear who fears nothing, and will, As I have on *several occasions seen, drive a tiger away from its kill, was no deterrent, but..." Spotlight - on several occasions. Yes, and i love how he is like speaking to the bear, "this to a Himalayan bear...." it makes that account more compelling so to speak. He is giving much respect to the Himalayan black bear.
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Post by brobear on Nov 18, 2019 10:29:33 GMT -5
We have heard from two sources that a large male Asiatic black bear shows no concern over tigers.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 3, 2019 0:42:55 GMT -5
Endangered Siberian Tiger Returns From ExileVladik was once forcibly removed from the Russian city Vladivostok. Now, one year, 400 miles, and three dead bears later, he's back. PUBLISHED NOVEMBER 2, 2017 Vladik, a well-known, lone male Siberian tiger, has hit the road again. The endangered four-year-old tiger was recently spotted in the same region where he was exiled this time last year. Vladik first made headlines in October 2016 when he wandered into the far eastern Russian town of Vladivostok, his namesake. The Siberian tiger population in this area has been low after habitat loss and hunting caused their population to plummet in the 1930s. It's extremely rare for residents to see a tiger in the streets, so when 300-pound Vladik sauntered into town, they panicked. The Siberian Times reported that police patrolled the streets with machine guns and drones. Vladik was eventually captured after police received a tip about his whereabouts, tracked him down, fired a sedative shot into his neck, and transferred the comatose tiger to the Amur Tiger Center, a group that works to rescue and rehabilitate Siberian tigers. For seven months, Vladik stayed at the center, where veterinarians monitored his health and tested his hunting skills. For his release, Amur, World Wildlife Fund Russia, and Russia's Natural Resources Ministry sponsored a helicopter to fly the big cat into Bikin National Park. It was a conservation success story with a happy ending. But Vladik had other plans. For months, the tiger has been roaming the region, preying on Himalayan black bears, crossing a highway, traversing a railroad track, and bypassing several small towns. He walked nearly 400 miles south, where he was spotted just outside of his old stomping grounds, Vladivostok. This time around, however, Vladik seems to be exercising more caution and keeping a lower profile. The center admitted they've known for months that Vladik moved out of the park but only recently made that knowledge public, out of fear for the cat's safety. Officials know where the tiger is because they fitted him with a GPS tracking collar before he was released into the park, in part to study movements of the species. So far, Vladik hasn't walked in front of the camera traps the center has rigged along his predicted path, so they've only been able to track his motion from afar. "We are joking that this might be a 'victory lap,'" said Andrey Shorshin from the Amur Tiger Center. Large male tigers like Vladik are known to roam large distances in search of territory that may provide access to a mate and a steady food supply. Ten percent of the world's endangered Amur tiger population resides in Bikin National Park, and officials speculated that Vladik may have left because of overcrowding. Reconciling a slowly rebounding tiger population with increasing development is a difficult problem for the Amur Tiger Center and other conservationists. Roughly 500 Siberian tigers can be found in the region, and their population is expected to grow. By continuing to track Vladik, Shorshin said they can learn more about how Siberian tigers are adapting to human development. news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/11/vladik-vladivostok-russia-far-east-siberian-tiger-spd/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=link_fb20171102news-vladiktigerreturns&utm_campaign=Content&sf138374310=1From Carnivora. carnivora.net/tiger-panthera-tigris-t2730-s30.html
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 3, 2019 5:57:41 GMT -5
Reply # 30 above: tiger preyed on 3 Himalayan black bears.
Predation, predation, predation, thats all tigers can do....predate, ambush hunt. Face to face fighting? No thank you.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 5, 2019 20:42:40 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 5, 2019 22:04:20 GMT -5
"Lure them into an ambush"
Wow, how surprising. Why would that kid post this? I mean he is just confirming our points. So funny.
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Post by brobear on Dec 6, 2019 2:26:47 GMT -5
The method of killing ( perhaps simply the way it is written ) is all wrong ( reply #32 ). A tiger *always kills a bear with a bite to the base of the neck ( from behind ) biting into the spine ( neck bone ).
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 6, 2019 7:15:05 GMT -5
The method of killing ( perhaps simply the way it is written ) is all wrong ( reply #32 ). A tiger *always kills a bear with a bite to the base of the neck ( from behind ) biting into the spine ( neck bone ). True.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 16, 2020 5:36:13 GMT -5
In the RFE, Siberian tigers interact with the Ussuri black bear (Ursus thibetanus ussuricus), this subspecies of Asiatic black bear will run up a tree as soon as he sees a tiger, he will not fight, that is why we have zero accounts of this bear even fighting with a tiger.
In India, Bengal tigers interact with the Himalayan black bear (Ursus thibetanus laniger), this subpecies of Asiatic black bear is very aggressive and it is known to attack and displace Bengal tigers from their kills, even large adult male tigers as Jim Corbett has witnessed.
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Post by brobear on Mar 16, 2020 6:01:57 GMT -5
Perhaps the Ussuri black bears displace Amur tigers from their kills just as often as does his southern cousins. Any Asiatic black bear, regardless of subspecies, will escape a tiger by climbing a tree rather than risk a fight; if a tree is available and there is time to do so... when the tiger is hunting and spotted by the bear. Large male Asiatic black bears scavenge tiger kills and, given the opportunity, might displace a tigress or a young tiger. I highly doubt there is much if any difference in the disposition of various Asiatic black bear populations.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 16, 2020 8:39:58 GMT -5
Let me respectfully disagree with this. The Himalayan black bear stands out from the rest of the Asiatic black bear subspecies as being much more aggressive than the rest. The Himalayan black bear fears nothing.
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Post by brobear on Mar 16, 2020 11:19:50 GMT -5
Let me respectfully disagree with this. The Himalayan black bear stands out from the rest of the Asiatic black bear subspecies as being much more aggressive than the rest. The Himalayan black bear fears nothing. From what source of information? All Asiatic black bears are more aggressive than their American cousins. But, I doubt you will find any particular population of them any more aggressive than another. Ussuri black bear regularly visit tiger kills. How often a bear displaces a tiger is totally unknown - as we have discussed heavily. How can one subspecies be proven to be more aggressive than another?
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 16, 2020 11:45:55 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 16, 2020 11:50:33 GMT -5
"This to a Himalayan bear who fears nothing, and who will, as i have on several occasions seen, drive a tiger away from its kill."
I have to be honest brobear, i have read this phrase tons of times, and each time i read it i get goosebumps. I really love and respect the Himalayan black bear who on record displaced a large male bengal tiger from its kill by brute force.
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Post by brobear on Mar 16, 2020 11:53:26 GMT -5
We have no reason to believe that an Ussuri black bear would do any less. I'm not saying that the Himalayan black bear is neither brave nor aggressive; simply that we have no real reason to consider him above other Asiatic black bear subspecies. Certainly a braver and more aggressive animal than the American black bear. Quote: Reactions of bears varied. One brown bear traveling through a region continuously inhabited by a tiger appeared to feel completely at home there. A different brown bear however, changed his route sharply after crossing tiger tracks. A large male black bear ( nearly the size of a brown bear ) was visually observed and appeared completely unperturbed walking in the tracks of a tiger and even using the same bear sites. *This is the Ussuri black bear.
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Post by brobear on Mar 16, 2020 11:55:05 GMT -5
"This to a Himalayan bear who fears nothing, and who will, as i have on several occasions seen, drive a tiger away from its kill."
I have to be honest brobear, i have read this phrase tons of times, and each time i read it i get goosebumps. I really love and respect the Himalayan black bear who on record displaced a large male bengal tiger from its kill by brute force.
This very likely happens in the Russian taiga as well.
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