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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 2, 2019 6:11:22 GMT -5
Just for the record, so anyone reading this thread does not get confused. Here we are talking about SUMATRAN rhinos, the smallest rhino species. Because against a black or white rhino, not even the largest bears stand a chance.
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Post by brobear on Jan 2, 2019 6:31:47 GMT -5
a-z-animals.com/animals/sumatran-rhinoceros/ Due to its large size, the Sumatran rhinoceros' only real predator in the wild are large wild cats such as tigers that will prey on the Sumatran rhino calves and weak individuals. Humans are the biggest threat to the Sumatran rhinoceros as they have been hunted to the brink of extinction for their horns. *Note: This smallest of the rhino's is Kodiak bear-sized and ( like a male brown bear ) too much of a brute to be tiger prey other than the juveniles. Our ( unprovable ) question here is: could a similar-sized male Kodiak bear take down a Sumatran rhinoceros in a face-off?
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 2, 2019 7:09:33 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 20:34:35 GMT -5
Just some additional info: The Sumatra rhino as well as the indian and black rhino can bite as well.
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Post by brobear on Jan 3, 2019 4:13:08 GMT -5
www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(18)30166-0 The sequencing and analysis of the Sumatran rhinoceros genome provides vital data for understanding the history of the subspecies in Sumatra, but not for reconstructing the history of the population on the mainland after the two were separated by rising seas in the early Holocene. Evidence from zooarchaeology, texts and artifacts makes clear that the Holocene range of the Sumatran rhinoceros extended all the way from the tropics to the temperate Yellow River Valley of North China (35° North), and that humans have extirpated the species from most of its range. While the name ‘Sumatran’ suggests that these are tropical animals, in fact they are the only extant hairy rhinoceros, which presumably protected them from cold, and are the most closely related of all living rhinoceroses to the extinct cold-adapted woolly rhinoceros
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 3, 2019 5:43:09 GMT -5
Just some additional info: The Sumatra rhino as well as the indian and black rhino can bite as well. Yeah but i dont see the Sumatran rhino trying to bite the Kodiak, i think it wont make make much difference. I see the rhino trying to ram the bear, his most used attack technique.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 3, 2019 5:59:13 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jan 3, 2019 11:36:00 GMT -5
Just some additional info: The Sumatra rhino as well as the indian and black rhino can bite as well. Quote from post #1... Sumatran rhinos, like all Asian rhinos, have long dagger-shaped lower incisor teeth. They are very sharp and are used in fighting and can inflict deep wounds. These teeth are lacking in the African rhino species. animaldiversity.org/accounts/Dicerorhinus_sumatrensis/ An average of 16 millimeters thick, the skin of the Sumatran rhino is thick and leathery, causing it to wrinkle at the edges. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walrus Walrus skin: Aside from the vibrissae, the walrus is sparsely covered with fur and appears bald. Its skin is highly wrinkled and thick, up to 10 cm (3.9 in) around the neck and shoulders of males. The blubber layer beneath is up to 15 cm (5.9 in) thick.
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Post by brobear on Jan 3, 2019 11:50:36 GMT -5
16 millimeters is equal to 0.63 inches 10 centimeters is equal to 3.94 inches What I see here is that a walrus has thicker skin than a Sumatran rhinoceros; plus a thick layer of blubber beneath.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 3, 2019 12:41:34 GMT -5
Now, the only recorded fight between a bear and a rhino was in the Roman colosseum, the rhino won. Although we dont know the species of the rhino, i would guess it was probably an African or Indian rhino. The Romans loved to see the largest animals in action.
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Post by brobear on Jan 3, 2019 13:01:16 GMT -5
Now, the only recorded fight between a bear and a rhino was in the Roman colosseum, the rhino won. Although we dont know the species of the rhino, i would guess it was probably an African or Indian rhino. The Romans loved to see the largest animals in action. African: either black or white rhinoceros.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 3, 2019 17:59:13 GMT -5
Now, the only recorded fight between a bear and a rhino was in the Roman colosseum, the rhino won. Although we dont know the species of the rhino, i would guess it was probably an African or Indian rhino. The Romans loved to see the largest animals in action. African: either black or white rhinoceros. The largest species of rhino in the world. Only an elephant would beat it in a face to face fight,
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Post by brobear on Jan 12, 2019 6:22:58 GMT -5
16 millimeters is equal to 0.63 inches 10 centimeters is equal to 3.94 inches What I see here is that a walrus has thicker skin than a Sumatran rhinoceros; plus a thick layer of blubber beneath. If a polar bear can tear his way through the hide of a walrus, then the rhinoceros skin will not make him immune to a grizzly's teeth and claws.
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Post by brobear on Jan 12, 2019 6:50:54 GMT -5
www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/s/sumatran-rhinoceros/ COMMON NAME: Sumatran Rhinoceros SCIENTIFIC NAME: Dicerorhinus sumatrensis TYPE: Mammals DIET: Herbivores GROUP NAME: Solitary AVERAGE LIFE SPAN IN THE WILD: 35 to 40 years SIZE: Height, 48 to 58 in; length, 8 to 10 ft WEIGHT: 1,760 lbs ( this I would assume is their average weight ).
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Post by brobear on Oct 27, 2019 7:47:04 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Feb 18, 2020 5:10:09 GMT -5
Just some additional info: The Sumatra rhino as well as the indian and black rhino can bite as well. I know that the Great Indian rhino uses his tusks as a weapon more than his horn. But I never read anything about an African black rhino biting ( not saying it isn't so ). The black rhino is, however, considered to be the most aggressive of living rhinos. The white rhino is considered as the largest although the Great Indian rhino gives him a run for his money. Its a close contest. From the book: BEAR, History of a Fallen King... But that was not enough to make the bear the king of beasts in the eyes of the Romans. Like the Greeks - who had little fondness for animal combat - they preferred to install on the throne either lion or, perhaps more frequently, the elephant. There never seems to have been a battle between a bear and an elephant, but Martial recorded a combat in Rome late in the first century of our era between a bear and a rhinoceros: the latter won easily, piercing the bear's stomach with its horn, then lifting its wounded opponent from the ground with its snout and tossing it in the air several times. A cruel humiliation for the European champion. *But I believe that a big boar Kodiak bear might stand a good 50% chance against the smallest living rhinoceros - the Sumatran Rhino.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 18, 2020 6:58:20 GMT -5
To be perfectly honest, a rhino (it was most likely a huge one, black or white) killing a bear is not that much of a humilliation. It was a rhino for gods sake.
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Post by brobear on Feb 18, 2020 7:16:24 GMT -5
To be perfectly honest, a rhino (it was most likely a huge one, black or white) killing a bear is not that much of a humilliation. It was a rhino for gods sake. I absolutely agree. I just have to wonder if this particular bear killed by the rhinoceros was the champion Gloriosus. I would love to know the story behind that bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 18, 2020 9:18:42 GMT -5
To be perfectly honest, a rhino (it was most likely a huge one, black or white) killing a bear is not that much of a humilliation. It was a rhino for gods sake. I absolutely agree. I just have to wonder if this particular bear killed by the rhinoceros was the champion Gloriosus. I would love to know the story behind that bear. Yeah, you have mentioned Gloriosus before, and i researched and found nothing. But now i will do some research again and see if i can find anything.
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Post by brobear on Feb 18, 2020 9:29:58 GMT -5
Myths and Legend - Original King of Beasts - page #3 - Reply #47 Aside from this battle ( bear vs rhino ), bears usually won glory in the circus games. They never fought against one another, but against bulls, lions, or venatores ( hunter-gladiators ) helped by dogs. It seems that the strongest came from Caledonia ( Scotland ) and Dalmatia. A mosaic fragment from the third century found in a suburb of Rodez representing Caledonian bears that had won renown in circus games preserves the names of six of them: two females ( Fedra and Alecsandria ) and four males ( Nilus, Simplicius, Braciatus, and the champion Gloriosus ).
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