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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 24, 2021 12:49:05 GMT -5
Reply #311
Quote from a study:
Wonder what puma fans think about that. In Asia, it works the same way between the leopard and the sloth bear. Exactly the same as Ussuri brown bears and Amur tigers and Amur leopards. Nothing changes. That's how bears operate in their worldwide distribution.
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 26, 2021 14:54:34 GMT -5
Reply #311
Quote from a study:
Wonder what puma fans think about that. With no doubts, a puma fanboys will say its fake while a honest fan of puma will admit and accept it. Its an universal law.
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 26, 2021 14:57:54 GMT -5
Here is my written statement about tiger vs bear on quora. At that time when i wrote on quora, months ago, i had no reports, and used wikipedia as source and mostly prefered reason and even sometimes overrated the bear but by the passage of time, i have too much changed. Here is i am telling the big cat and bear basic behaviour to proof that brown bear dominate tigers.
"6. In their smaller cousin forms
Sloth bears and Asiatic black bears are known to dominate leopards and chase of them over kills. Leopards are pound for pound one of the strongest and agile big cats in the world and are also classified as fierce and many humam attacks. They are the fifth largest big cats in the world. Ussuri black bears dominate Amur leoprds in Far East russia and sloth bears dominate leopards in india. If we enlarge the sloth bear into the brown bear and then the leopard into the tiger so the victor would be clear for you.
Leopards and snow leopards are found in the gaint panda areas. Despite of their presence, leopards never prey on an adult panda which shows that they cannot even dominate a more gentle and herbivourous panda. In wild size does matter and bears have got a huge size advantage over most big cats.
As written in wikipedia that black bears mosy visit cougars to usurp their kills along with the grizzly which gives the cougar less time to eat. So American black bears dominate the fourth largest big cat in North America.
So this shows that smaller bears dominate smaller big cats. So tell me why bigger bears cannot dominate bigger cats? Enlarge these black and sloth bear in a more larger, aggressive, fierce, powerful and tenacious brown bear. Then enlarge the cougar and leopard into a larger big cat, tiger, so the winner is clear for you."
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 26, 2021 14:58:13 GMT -5
Reply #311
Quote from a study:
Wonder what puma fans think about that. With no doubts, a puma fanboys will say its fake while a honest fan of puma will admit and accept it. Its an universal law. Cant say its fake, its from an actual study. Also, there are 4/5 videos of pumas running away from bears.
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 26, 2021 15:01:15 GMT -5
With no doubts, a puma fanboys will say its fake while a honest fan of puma will admit and accept it. Its an universal law. Cant say its fake, its from an actual study. Also, there are 4/5 videos of pumas running away from bears.I know it is right and from best sources. Just imagine a puma fanboy like ML who would say that it "proves nothing." As ML refused one of the best biologist so like that pumafanboy will reject the best source.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 26, 2021 15:07:17 GMT -5
MontezumaWhere did you read that or get that from? If you show me anything about the Ussuri black bear besting any animal i will give you a prize.
Not leopards no.
I agree with everything else.
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 26, 2021 15:11:19 GMT -5
MontezumaWhere did you read that or get that from? If you show me anything about the Ussuri black bear besting any animal i will give you a prize.
Not leopards no.
I agree with everything else.
From Asian black bear-Wikipedia "potential predators of bear cubs as well.[3] Asian black bears usually dominate Amur leopards in physical confrontations in heavily vegetated areas, while leopards are uppermost in open areas, though the outcome of such encounters is largely dependent on the size of the individual animals.[41]".
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 26, 2021 15:18:48 GMT -5
Well it says "Asian black bears", not Ussuri black bears. Now, i will be willing to bet that they are really talking about the Himalayan black bear (Ursus thibetanus laniger) which is also in the Russian far east during the Summer. This bear once displaced a large adult male Bengal tiger.
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 26, 2021 15:33:45 GMT -5
Well it says "Asian black bears", not Ussuri black bears. Now, i will be willing to bet that they are really talking about the Himalayan black bear (Ursus thibetanus laniger) which is also in the Russian far east. This bear once displaced a large adult male Bengal tiger.
You mean this one from wikipedia, ," and wait for the bear to descend. Tigers prey foremost on young bears.[42] Some are very tenacious when attacked: Jim Corbett observed a fight between a tiger and the largest Asian black bear he had ever seen. The bear managed to chase off the tiger, despite having half its nose and scalp torn off. He twice saw Asian black bears carry off tiger kills when the latter was absent.[43] "
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 26, 2021 15:46:25 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Apr 27, 2021 7:52:39 GMT -5
Some of us here happen to know this one particular cougar fanboy ( we will not speak names of posters or other sites ) who insists that a cougar will walk right up, get in a black bear's face, and pick a fight with him. He is in complete and total denial of the fact that a cougar is an ambush predator. In fact, the mere mention of the word "ambush" infuriates him. LOL!!!
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Post by brobear on May 4, 2021 12:36:34 GMT -5
No cougar has ever defeated an adult bear of any species in a face-off. In fact, no cougar has ever fought a bear of any species face-to-face. It just doesn't happen.
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Post by Montezuma on May 4, 2021 15:18:02 GMT -5
I was thinking that tigers occasionally prey on brown bear cubs, so why not the leopard preys on sloth and black bear cubs. Why tm
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Post by brobear on May 4, 2021 15:37:30 GMT -5
I was thinking that tigers occasionally prey on brown bear cubs, so why not the leopard preys on sloth and black bear cubs. Why tm A cougar will indeed kill a young bear cub, if such an opportunity presents itself. Same with a leopard and a young bear cub. Baby animals of every species is highly vulnerable to predators. A jaguar would, I'm sure, kill an Andean bear cub if given half-a-chance.
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Post by Montezuma on May 11, 2021 16:46:06 GMT -5
Many sources state that the Red Indians stated that the bear is the king of the beasts in North america. Further, the spainards also told that the king of the north american beasts is the bear. If cougars killed bear so why the cat did not earned the title? This proves that in the eyes of indians amd spainish, bears were kings not cougars.
This topic name is now more correct as it is surely a mismatch. Sun bear vs puma is a fair match.
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Post by brobear on May 12, 2021 0:56:01 GMT -5
Quote: This topic name is now more correct as it is surely a mismatch. Sun bear vs puma is a fair match. *I agree. There are only two face-off debates involving cougar vs bear that is debatable: "cougar vs sun bear" or "cougar vs giant panda". While both are debatable, I would wager on the bear in both scenarios.
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Post by smedz on May 31, 2021 17:56:36 GMT -5
Black bears are opportunists, eating whatever is available to them. Being omnivores they have to get some protein in their diet and some of that protein comes from carcasses. And some of those carcasses are provided by mountain lions or cougars or whatever you wanna call them. Black Bears are the most frequent visitor of cougar kills and this kleptoparisitism causes the cats to spend less time at their kills and increase their kill frequencies. In short, the presence of black bears makes cougars hunt more because they take carcasses from them. In turn, this helps the ecosystems stay healthy as more deer kills means more nutrients going back into the soil as well as more food for other wildlife and this also benefits humans since more deer killed by cougars means less deer-vehicle collisions. file:///home/chronos/u-bd37af1c04ed0c41e0e40046a61626405e4819fd/MyFiles/Downloads/Elbrochetal.2014-BehavioralEcology1.pdf file:///home/chronos/u-bd37af1c04ed0c41e0e40046a61626405e4819fd/MyFiles/Downloads/Allenetal_BasicApplEcol_2021.pdf
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Post by Montezuma on May 31, 2021 21:13:28 GMT -5
Well done smedz , if a 300 pound male black bear is a kleptoparasite for a 200 male cougar so why cannot a 600 pound male brown bear be a kleptoparaste for a 400 pound male tiger? A question to tigerfans.
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Post by Montezuma on May 31, 2021 21:36:50 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jul 21, 2021 4:55:41 GMT -5
Well done smedz , if a 300 pound male black bear is a kleptoparasite for a 200 male cougar so why cannot a 600 pound male brown bear be a kleptoparaste for a 400 pound male tiger? A question to tigerfans. A full-grown male American black bear can easily displace a cougar from his kill. The cat will not stand his ground against a bear. He will sometimes hiss and snarl and even might play a bit of 'slap-and-dodge' as an attempt to bluff the bear. But, most often, the cougar will abandon his kill at the sight of the bear. This same scenario is played out between a leopard and a sloth bear. The cat is unwilling to make physical contact against a bear. I'm no mathematician, but the size ratio between a cougar and a Montana black bear, a leopard and a sloth bear, and an Amur tiger and an Ussuri brown bear seem to match very closely. Therefore, you would think that the brown bear ( probably pound-for-pound the strongest bear ) should have no problem whatsoever in displacing a tiger. Just as with the cougar and the leopard, you would think that the tiger would be unwilling to defend his kill against the bear. Common sense tells me that the tiger would not fight a bear face-to-face that he would choose never to ambush as prey. But, regardless of what seems reasonable, other than a big male bear sometimes displacing a tigress from a carcass, the displacement of a male tiger seems to be quite rare. The tiger has been known to defend his kill from a big male brown bear. So, if this is true, then evidently the tiger is a more courageous big cat than the cougar or the leopard.
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