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Post by brobear on Nov 23, 2019 10:31:59 GMT -5
It's possible. Now let's introduce her to a 20 foot long Nile crocodile; a full ton.
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Post by tom on Nov 23, 2019 17:21:12 GMT -5
Still a very respectable kill for a Tigress. I'm guessing a 14 ft Croc would be in that 700-1000 pound catagory and probably in between that range if I had to guess.
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Post by BruteStrength on Nov 24, 2019 1:14:39 GMT -5
Still a very respectable kill for a Tigress. I'm guessing a 14 ft Croc would be in that 700-1000 pound catagory and probably in between that range if I had to guess. And this is reasons why I favor bears over crocodiles in a fight. Cause like you said if the crocodile was between a 700 to 1,000 pounds then then just imagine what a buff adult male brown bear could do. Malichi was a old sick tigress at that and look what she did.
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Post by BruteStrength on Nov 24, 2019 1:15:08 GMT -5
Good point Kodiak.
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Post by BruteStrength on Nov 24, 2019 1:24:14 GMT -5
Also I said a large bear would prevail over a crocodile in MOST cases. NOT ALL. A crocodile like Lolong Im not too sure that a bear would win because of the large size of the crocodile. But I still think it's possible for a bear to win though because if a bear can kill a bison which can be the same size as Lolong then why can't a bear beat a large crocodile?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 10:14:14 GMT -5
Uh, guys, you do know that 4.2 meters figure isn't really accurate? See this for more: theworldofanimals.proboards.com/post/11400/threadThey were very similar in size and that croc was likely sick. I don't consider that account very impressive at all. Will address the rest of your points later
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Post by tom on Nov 24, 2019 10:35:47 GMT -5
I'd most DEFINITELY favor a 900 kg croc over a 450 kg bear on land. Water is just a mismatch. I wouldn't place a wager on the bear; but it all depends on the bear's ability to avoid those jaws. You hit the nail right on the head brobear. The jaws... the strongest jaws in the animal kingdom. Even a 700 lb Croc has incredible bite force. A Croc the size of Lolong despite his incredible jaws, presents even more of a challenge to any Bear. Because of his sheer size and weight he would be extremely difficult to maneuver even if a Bear could avoid those lethal jaws. Were talking a 1 ton reptile here. The Bison Croc comparison doesn't hold water as they are so completely different in how each presents danger to a Grizzly. That's my opinion I'm sticking to it. ๐
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 10:41:54 GMT -5
BruteStrength, a crocodile has a durability and weaponry advantage over a bison - IMMENSE. Crocodiles are very, very VERY durable and can easily survive day-to-day damage that would easily kill a bison, and their powerful jaws/low stance is a bear's achilles heel. Hard to grapple with, and one bite to an arm is the end of grappling
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Post by tom on Nov 24, 2019 11:22:08 GMT -5
Uh, guys, you do know that 4.2 meters figure isn't really accurate? See this for more: theworldofanimals.proboards.com/post/11400/threadThey were very similar in size and that croc was likely sick. I don't consider that account very impressive at all. Will address the rest of your points later Yes, I did see that. It appeared to be smaller than what was advertised in the Video. At best it was someone's estimation albeit a poor one. As has been stated here before, in the real world the Bear (even a large one) would likely avoid any crocodile and most certainly a large one. It just isn't worth it for him to risk life or limb period. The more interesting question would be if the two did co-inhabit the same environment would a medium to large Croc attempt to displace a hungry Grizzly from his kill? And.... would the Grizzly relinquish that kill or protect it?
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Post by brobear on Nov 24, 2019 16:26:00 GMT -5
We have also discussed this on the topic: Bears surviving in Africa. I am in complete agreement with Tom. No bear in his right mind would risk an unnecessary fight with a large crocodile. He would, however, very likely feed upon crocodile eggs and, given the opportunity, baby crocs.
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Post by BruteStrength on Jun 21, 2020 0:16:17 GMT -5
I am still of the same opinion that a large brown bear will defeat a saltwater croc. Crocs tire very easily.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 21, 2020 1:11:35 GMT -5
I am still of the same opinion that a large brown bear will defeat a saltwater croc. Crocs tire very easily. If that fight occurs on land, I will agree with you. Reptiles in general lack the stamina of mammals yet in the water, the croc will win because of its greater manuverable itโs.
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Post by BruteStrength on Jun 21, 2020 14:14:51 GMT -5
I wonder if it is still possible for a bear to kill a croc in water because if my memory is correct i remember reading a account of a lion or perhaps a tiger that killed a crocodile in water. I think it was on carnivora or something.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 21, 2020 18:13:16 GMT -5
/\Have you seen the picture of a polar bear attacking a beluga in water ? The beluga has more stamina but it does not have the jaws and aggression of these toothed reptiles.
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Post by tom on Jul 3, 2020 16:24:49 GMT -5
In the water it's NO contest in favor of a Croc that is of medium to large in size. A smaller Croc, a large Bear may be more than it could take on. There are numerous videos of Large Crocs handling adult Zebras which are no easy prey. Watching a Croc perform a death roll and literally ripping large chunks off it's prey is astonishing to watch. Once they get to twisting there ain't nuttin going to stop it.
IMO the jaws of a Crocodile would be the single most deterring factor for a Bear of any size to mess with it. If a Bear had his first encounter with even a medium size Croc (12 ft). and was wounded badly because of his unfamiliarity, that would likely be the last Croc he would mess with. Don't underestimate the jaw power and the damage that can be inflicted by those massive jaws.
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Post by brobear on Jul 3, 2020 18:01:46 GMT -5
Only the elephant and the hippopotamus are safe from large crocodiles. I remember decades ago ( Life Magazine I think ) two Nile crocodiles pulled a rhinoceros into a river.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jul 3, 2020 18:19:32 GMT -5
Oh Crap poor bear, that croc got him good.
Really brobear? They showed 2 crocs pulling a rhino in the water?
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Post by brobear on Jul 4, 2020 3:11:47 GMT -5
Oh Crap poor bear, that croc got him good.
Really brobear? They showed 2 crocs pulling a rhino in the water? Yes, I remember the magazine showed some pictures frame x frame. Two monster-sized crocs grabbed the rhino as he was drinking at the river's edge.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 4, 2020 4:02:58 GMT -5
Reply 115. That is from the Lake Placid film. The bear looks like a cinnamon bear:
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Post by brobear on Jul 4, 2020 4:18:38 GMT -5
The brown bear on the Lake Placid movie was CGI ( computer-generated imagery ). The thing I don't get is why 30 feet? A 20-foot-long crocodile would have been just as deadly yet believable.
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