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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 20, 2019 17:03:03 GMT -5
I think most guys (including me) here give the croc a decent chance on the land. The croc has its strong jaws, lower centre of gravity, and a strong tail. The bear has its own set of claws, teeth, powerful forearms for grappling, and better stamina. The croc wins in water.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 18:15:10 GMT -5
King KodiakSorry, had forgotten to reply. Crocodiles do not lose mobility to the point of being stationary; they can make many bursts and large crocodiles have very good stamina. About everything else, crocodiles are practically designed to be bear's achilles heels.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 20, 2019 18:43:33 GMT -5
King Kodiak Sorry, had forgotten to reply. Crocodiles do not lose mobility to the point of being stationary; they can make many bursts and large crocodiles have very good stamina. About everything else, crocodiles are practically designed to be bear's achilles heels. Never claimed crocs lose mobility to the point of being stationary, but if you think a bear is just gona stand there and allow the croc to get a bite on his legs that easily, then i dont know. So you are saying that crocs win 100% of the time on land?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 19:10:52 GMT -5
King Kodiak Sorry, had forgotten to reply. Crocodiles do not lose mobility to the point of being stationary; they can make many bursts and large crocodiles have very good stamina. About everything else, crocodiles are practically designed to be bear's achilles heels. Never claimed crocs lose mobility to the point of being stationary, but if you think a bear is just gona stand there and allow the croc to get a bite on his legs that easily, then i dont know. So you are saying that crocs win 100% of the time on land?No, of course not. But a pretty decent margin that I'm not too sure of. Of course the bear won't just stand there, but as I said, crocodiles can be very dextrous with their jaws
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Post by BruteStrength on Oct 20, 2019 20:40:09 GMT -5
Well I mean this is my opinion on the matter. I think that a large brown bear over 900 pounds will kill a crocodile on land more than 75% of the time. Why do I think this? Simple because big cats such as lions and tigers have been known and even seen to be able to defeat crocodiles. So if a bg cat can take on a crocodile and defeat it then I think surely a bear cam. But hey I could be wrong.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 21, 2019 16:45:59 GMT -5
/\ Tigers have kills mugger crocs (which are much smaller than the Nile crocs). Lions have killed Nile crocs but a huge croc boss which is 2200 pounds would defeat a lion one on one. A pride of lions can eventually defeat a 2200 pound Nile croc but they have to be willing to lose one member.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 17:48:44 GMT -5
Well I mean this is my opinion on the matter. I think that a large brown bear over 900 pounds will kill a crocodile on land more than 75% of the time. Why do I think this? Simple because big cats such as lions and tigers have been known and even seen to be able to defeat crocodiles. So if a bg cat can take on a crocodile and defeat it then I think surely a bear cam. But hey I could be wrong. As I said, this isn't A plus By equals C logic. Big cats are more agile than bears, and directly go for the vitals, not generally maul and try to attack the head. A bear's strategy of trying to maul the crocodile every which way and attacking just about anywhere while lacking the agility to avoid a bite, while it does help in some fights, it's all the downfall against a crocodilian.
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Post by brobear on Oct 26, 2019 2:19:23 GMT -5
I once ( 5 or 6 years ago ) watched a documentary where ( on dry land ) a 2000+ pound Nile crocodile walked right over and displaced an entire pride of lions which included two big males. There was no fight. The lions retreated. I believe that such a monster would be safe from both bears and big cats. See: Bears surviving in Africa.
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Post by BruteStrength on Nov 17, 2019 0:45:32 GMT -5
I once ( 5 or 6 years ago ) watched a documentary where ( on dry land ) a 2000+ pound Nile crocodile walked right over and displaced an entire pride of lions which included two big males. There was no fight. The lions retreated. I believe that such a monster would be safe from both bears and big cats. See: Bears surviving in Africa. I believe that a 1,000 pound bear will defeat a 2,000 pound crocodile on land but in water Im not too sure.
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Post by brobear on Nov 17, 2019 2:03:18 GMT -5
I believe that a 1,000 pound bear will defeat a 2,000 pound crocodile on land but in water Im not too sure. Perhaps the bear could kill the croc on a fight on dry land. But under what circumstance would he fight such a monster? In defense of a carcass? We may never know.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 6:19:02 GMT -5
I'd most DEFINITELY favor a 900 kg croc over a 450 kg bear on land. Water is just a mismatch.
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Post by brobear on Nov 18, 2019 8:27:40 GMT -5
I'd most DEFINITELY favor a 900 kg croc over a 450 kg bear on land. Water is just a mismatch. I wouldn't place a wager on the bear; but it all depends on the bear's ability to avoid those jaws.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 10:14:32 GMT -5
I'd most DEFINITELY favor a 900 kg croc over a 450 kg bear on land. Water is just a mismatch. I wouldn't place a wager on the bear; but it all depends on the bear's ability to avoid those jaws. (This applies in general to jaw-based vs grappling predators), but I don't like the bear's odds. It's a lot easier for the jaw based predator to break out from the grappling than it is to avoid a bite for the grappler and also easy by comparison to resist grappling, while all the jaw-based animal needs to get a bite on an arm and no more grappling.
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Post by brobear on Nov 18, 2019 10:23:49 GMT -5
In a show-down; big grizzly vs huge crocodile, neither would I feel confident for the bear.
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Post by tom on Nov 22, 2019 14:39:05 GMT -5
In a show-down; big grizzly vs huge crocodile, neither would I feel confident for the bear. Neither would I. Even a 1 ton Croc would be more than a handful for even a large Bear IMO. A Croc the size of Lolong (2000 lbs plus) would be virtually impossible for the Bear.
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Post by brobear on Nov 22, 2019 16:16:33 GMT -5
In a show-down; big grizzly vs huge crocodile, neither would I feel confident for the bear. Neither would I. Even a 1 ton Croc would be more than a handful for even a large Bear IMO. A Croc the size of Lolong (2000 lbs plus) would be virtually impossible for the Bear. Agreed. Bart the Bear vs Gustav would probably have a terrible ending.
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Post by BruteStrength on Nov 22, 2019 22:19:45 GMT -5
Well In my opinion I think a large bear would prevail over a crocodile in most cases. There are accounts on Carnivora of big cats killing crocodiles. Even the tigress Malachi was said to have killed a large mugger crocodile. Malachi was a old female tiger at that. I can just imagine what a large brown bear would do to a crocodile. Im sure it wouldn't be pretty.
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Post by tom on Nov 22, 2019 23:13:13 GMT -5
A Mugger Crocodile is a far cry from a large Nile or Saltwater crocodile pushing close to 1 ton Brute.
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Post by brobear on Nov 23, 2019 3:33:01 GMT -5
A Mugger Crocodile is a far cry from a large Nile or Saltwater crocodile pushing close to 1 ton Brute. I agree. Even though the mugger is a true crocodile, they are said to be comparable to alligators in size, habits, and sluggishness. American black bears have been known to best an alligator. I have told this tale numerous times here; there is a documentary that I watched ( seems like perhaps 2012 or 2013 ) showing a gigantic crocodile on dry land displacing an entire pride of lions from a carcass. I would love to rediscover that documentary.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 23, 2019 9:15:29 GMT -5
Well In my opinion I think a large bear would prevail over a crocodile in most cases. There are accounts on Carnivora of big cats killing crocodiles. Even the tigress Malachi was said to have killed a large mugger crocodile. Malachi was a old female tiger at that. I can just imagine what a large brown bear would do to a crocodile. Im sure it wouldn't be pretty. The tigress "Machli" killed a 14 foot croc on land. Jirre used to say that when crocs are so far inland, they are most likely sick.
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