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Post by yz on Sept 30, 2022 17:58:53 GMT -5
Please help me it is stuck to my head IT IS ALL LIES! LIONS AND TIGERS DONT EXIST ! IT IS ALL A LIE MADE BY A GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED BY CATS AND THEY ARE CONTROLLING YOU ALL TOO ! I ALMOST FELL FOR IT AT THE PARK YESTERDAY ! IT TRIED TO KILL ME BY ROLLING ON THE GROUND!!!!!! THEY CLEARLY KNOW I AM A DANGEROUS ENEMY AND THEY MUST GET RID OF ME DUE TO MY HIGH INTELLIGENCE AND THE TINFOIL HAT PROTECTS ME FROM THEIR DELUSION AND LIES please help me hegitoffples Troll
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Sept 30, 2022 18:34:15 GMT -5
no this tinfoil hat is stuck to my head
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Post by brobear on Oct 1, 2022 2:27:12 GMT -5
Alright then, whatever you guys say. But are there any confirmed bear killing tiger accounts? Think about it. All we have been doing is debunking so why not fight back? Why not email the professionals like we have always been doing about bear killing tiger accounts instead? Why don't we scour the Internet for sources? Cmon! We have to fight for bearsus christ! WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR OUR BEAR FREEDOM AND OUR BARE RIGHTS. WE ARE- skibidibopmmdada, I have explained to you exactly how to locate the 'bear killing tiger' accounts. But, you want someone else to do the work for you. domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/1314/amur-tiger-ussuri-brown-accounts?page=2 I asked you to start on page #1 and start reading. You would have found some information on page #2. But instead, you decided to troll, which it appears is your intentions to begin with. Tigers hunt bears for food. If adult male bears were on the tiger's menu, then there would be multiple confirmed accounts published after so many decades of study. ________________________________________________________________________________ 1c - Predation on tigers Bears do not habitually hunt tigers, but it is known adult male brown bears consume tigers killed in disputes. It seems some adult male brown bears, in some circumstances, deliberately target tigers (posts 520 and 536). Kostoglod mentioned a case in which a bear followed a tiger for a long distance (Chapter 19). The tiger escaped, but another one was attacked, killed and eaten. Although tigresses sometimes perish in fights with male brown bears, the number is incidents is too limited to get to general statements. In 2010, two tigresses, a subadult (19 months of age) and an 8-year old ('Vera') with two (about 18 months old) cubs, were killed by brown bears (post 520). Apart from the fact they were killed by brown bears, not much was known. The young tigress, behaviourwise, showed signs of disease and it is also known at least 4 other tigers (two subadult males, one adult female and one adult male) displayed abnormal behaviour before their death (Miquelle). There is no additional information on the 8-year old tigress mentioned above. In the last 50 years, according to Alexious3, at least two adult male tigers have been killed by brown bears (post 568). One perished in 1960 and it could be this is the case used by Sysoev for his fictional story on 'Amba'. Another tiger died after a fight in 1972. Rukovsky mentioned another incident (post 70). Two of the three male tigers killed, at roundabout four years of age, were young adults. The third one was described as a medium-sized animal (age unknown). There are other accounts of male tigers killed by brown bears (Sysoev mentioned two cases and Bonns mentioned an incident near or in a river in 1943), but these, as far as is known, have not been acknowledged by researchers. The number of tigers killed in fights between 1943-1996 (referring to the table posted earlier) indicate there could be more cases (posts 17 and 55). Apart from one, all fights referred to in the table (post 55) were corroborated by Russian researchers, but in most incidents details were missing. It is, however, known brown bears were involved in most incidents. The information available suggests most tigers killed were killed in winter. As brown bears hibernate in winter, it has to be assumed non-hibernating bears ('Shatuns') were involved in most of these. Schatuns are desperate animals and most seem to perish. This means many would be inclined to attack any animal, tigers and other (hibernating) bears included (post 584). Although at least one was a smallish female who killed and ate a much larger hibernating male brown bear, most Schatuns seem to be males. As most of the 'large brown bears' killed by tigers mentioned above were killed in winter, it has to be assumed some, if not all, of these were Schatuns. Same for tigers killed in winter.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Oct 1, 2022 4:02:35 GMT -5
Yes, I do want someone else to do the work for me because like..227 pages? Also troll? Cmon. It was just a small joke. My intentions were not to troll (I'm assuming you mean from the beginning) I'm here to get definite answers about this debate while making it a little bit more fun. Also, that is nice. Maybe the ussuri brown bear beats the siberian tiger after all.
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Post by brobear on Oct 1, 2022 4:20:52 GMT -5
Yes, I do want someone else to do the work for me because like..227 pages? Also troll? Cmon. It was just a small joke. My intentions were not to troll (I'm assuming you mean from the beginning) I'm here to get definite answers about this debate while making it a little bit more fun. Also, that is nice. Maybe the ussuri brown bear beats the siberian tiger after all. When someone asks me for proof or evidence of specific information, then I have to spend sometimes hours searching. Sometimes, I can't even find what I'm looking for, even though I know that it is here, lost within the 'Domain of the Bears'. So, at some point, I had decided "why should I spend my time searching for someone too lazy to search for himself?" I found this information on page #2.... it didn't take very long.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Oct 1, 2022 5:11:13 GMT -5
That is ironic
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Post by Montezuma on Oct 1, 2022 20:50:03 GMT -5
NO! THIS IS NOT WORLD WAR 3!!! THIS IS UNIVERSE WAR 1!!!!!!!!!!! BEARS VS BIG CATS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT WAR OF HUMANITY AND ANIMALS ! ! WE MUST BRING WEAPONS! ANARCHY AND DESTRUCTION TO THE BIG CAT SIDE, WE MUST MAKE ALL OF THEM EXTINCT LIKE WE DID THE SMILODONS!!!!! now how do I get this tinfoil hat off LMAO. 😄
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Post by Montezuma on Oct 1, 2022 21:01:52 GMT -5
skibidibopmmdada, You want to know all about ussuri brown bear domination over tiger in a short way without reading 227 pages? For that, check out this link:- beargorillarealm.proboards.com/thread/201/brown-bears-dominate-eat-tigersFor making it easuer to read, i divided the thread into these categories. 1. Tigers generally do not prey on bears. 2. Even brown bears are sometimes tiger-eaters. 3. Accounts of brown bears killing or defeating tigers in wild and captive fights. (including adult males) 4. Tigers strictly avoid adult male brown bears. 5. Brown bear's kleptoparasitism over tigers. 6. Most opinions favouring brown bears iver tigers 7. No confirmed adult male brown bear killed by tiger. Period! 8. Bears are way better and more vicious fights than tigers. (The Solid 17 scientific points at the end)
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Oct 2, 2022 10:01:23 GMT -5
I actually have read that thread, thank you. My faith In bears is overflowing.
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Post by brobear on Oct 3, 2022 3:46:09 GMT -5
I actually have read that thread, thank you. My faith In bears is overflowing. Tiger fanboys are desperate to prove the unprovable. The day that a tiger kills a full-grown male Ussuri brown bear, and a biologist can prove it, the whole world will know of it. This momentous event will be in every newspaper and will be covered in every form of news media. You won't have to search for it. Tiger fanboys, both the young radicals and the well educated, can stop making false claims from old events not accepted by the scientific community.
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Post by brobear on Oct 13, 2022 3:45:53 GMT -5
Credits to Warsaw: The adult male brown bear class appears instead virtually invulnerable from Amur tiger predation, as pretty much straightforward when considering size, mass, power and strength of healthy enough individuals and their very tough and aggressive disposition. Actually the opposite occurrence of adult male brown bear potentially posing a threat to Amur tigers, even adult males, seems prevalent as assessed from kill disputes which appear invariably totally dominated by the large adult male brown bears weighing in excess of 300 kg (Miquelle et al, 1996; Miquelle, 2005). In my opinion this bear class can even remain virtually completely unchallenged if already tested by any tiger in a previous experience ended up without drastic consequences for the tiger able to break the fight and run away. On the other hand "undisputed APEX predator actively hunts and kills bears" but There is no "scientifically verified" case of a tiger killing an adult male brown. It speaks volumes and it's safe to say that adult male brown bears are immune to tiger predation. It is very likely that ",large adult male brown bears weighing in excess of 300 kg "is able to dominate the competition with smaller tiger. So,you have "statement from Russian biologist Kucherenko, in which he stated that tigers are more often the winners in fights against very large brown bears." Ok.but I have one too. S.P Kucherenko. also said "the tiger attacks mostly small bears, being sure of victory" S.P Kucherenko. "tigers don't touch large male during hibernation period. "which he unmistakably recognizes by smell. The smell tells the beast very much: the form, sex, age and size of the animal, its physiological state and health" _______________________________________________________ Quote: Kucherenko speculate "that tigers are more often the winners in fights against very large brown bears" *Note- True. Those "very large brown bears" are she-bears, taken by ambush, weighing less than the male tiger.
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Post by brobear on Oct 31, 2022 11:42:44 GMT -5
Incorrect Chart. Brown Bear male 270 kg or 595-pounds. There exists no confirmed record of a tiger ever killing a bear of this size. Female brown bear 145 kg or 320-pounds possibly taken from ambush by large male tiger. Moon bear 133 kg or 293-pounds possibly taken from ambush.
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Post by yz on Oct 31, 2022 12:56:42 GMT -5
Incorrect Chart. Brown Bear male 270 kg or 595-pounds. There exists no confirmed record of a tiger ever killing a bear of this size. Female brown bear 145 kg or 320-pounds possibly taken from ambush by large male tiger. Moon bear 133 kg or 293-pounds possibly taken from ambush. I think they just meant the average of the species in general. Not that of the kills. Where did you get this chart ?
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Post by brobear on Nov 1, 2022 9:48:22 GMT -5
Quote: "I think they just meant the average of the species in general. Not that of the kills. Where did you get this chart ?" From Bear and Gorilla realm Yes, I'm sure they mean species in general. Nevertheless, a biologist should be more precise in what he puts in print. Tiger prey does not include bears above the weight of the tiger. Also, as for species weight, just because a male brown bear reaches sexual maturity at an age ranging from 4.5 to 5 years old does not make him an adult; no more so than a boy who is sexually mature at an age ranging from 11 to 13. A full-grown male Ussuri brown bear: Average fully-grown male Ussuri brown bear ( 9 years+ ) - 631.4 pounds.
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Post by yz on Nov 1, 2022 15:06:42 GMT -5
Quote: "I think they just meant the average of the species in general. Not that of the kills. Where did you get this chart ?" From Bear and Gorilla realm Yes, I'm sure they mean species in general. Nevertheless, a biologist should be more precise in what he puts in print. Tiger prey does not include bears above the weight of the tiger. Also, as for species weight, just because a male brown bear reaches sexual maturity at an age ranging from 4.5 to 5 years old does not make him an adult; no more so than a boy who is sexually mature at an age ranging from 11 to 13. A full-grown male Ussuri brown bear: Average fully-grown male Ussuri brown bear ( 9 years+ ) - 631.4 pounds. Can you link the post ? I went to the beargorillarealm but couldn't find it.
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Post by brobear on Nov 1, 2022 16:28:00 GMT -5
Quote: Can you link the post ? I went to the beargorillarealm but couldn't find it. *Now; I can't find it either. I searched all over BGR and also, just in case, in WF too. ____________________________________________________________________ I did find this: academic.oup.com/jmammal/article/94/4/845/895366 Bears, both black and brown make up less than 1 percent of the Amur tiger's diet with .001 bears killed per day.
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Post by brobear on Nov 5, 2022 23:53:17 GMT -5
Quote: Where did you get this chart? WF ... Big cat and Bear tale.
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Post by yz on Nov 6, 2022 15:42:31 GMT -5
Quote: Where did you get this chart? WF ... Big cat and Bear tale. Found it. Thanks
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Post by brobear on Nov 6, 2022 16:09:49 GMT -5
Quote: Where did you get this chart? WF ... Big cat and Bear tale. Found it. Thanks Yeah, I couldn't remeber if I had found that at Wf or at King Kodiak's site. Finally blundered onto it.
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Post by Montezuma on Nov 6, 2022 22:11:44 GMT -5
Incorrect Chart. Brown Bear male 270 kg or 595-pounds. There exists no confirmed record of a tiger ever killing a bear of this size. Female brown bear 145 kg or 320-pounds possibly taken from ambush by large male tiger. Moon bear 133 kg or 293-pounds possibly taken from ambush. Where this chart came from? And why it say "unpublished data"?
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