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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 23, 2019 9:54:56 GMT -5
The Atlas Bear is the only known bear in the Ursinae line known to be native to Africa. An officer from the English military named Crowther first brought the Atlas Bear to the public's attention by his investigations in 1840, which is when the scientific community really recognized its existence. The Atlas Bear was classified as subspecies Ursus arctos crowtheri by Swiss naturalist Heinrich Rudolf Schinz in 1844. It is sometimes listed as its own species Ursus crowtheri. Ursus arctos crowtheri Drawing HABITAT Though the Atlas bear mainly inhabited the Atlas Mountains and surrounding areas of Morocco, Algeria, and Libya, fossilized remains of the Atlas bear have been discovered in caverns throughout North Africa. It lived in the mountains and forests. CHARACTERISTICS The Atlas bear had shaggy blackish brown hair, a black muzzle, an orange rufous chest and belly, and sometimes a white spot on the throat. Its fur was 4 to 5 inches long. Its build was reported by Officer Crowther as being shorter than that of an American black bear, with a more blunt face and unusually short, although thick claws. DIET The Atlas Bear is believed to have fed at least partially on roots, acorns and nuts. EXTINCTION Following the expansion of the Roman Empire in Northern Africa, thousands of bears were hunted for sport, used for execution of criminals, and killed during venatio games. The Atlas Bear is believed to have become extinct in the 1870s. www.bearsoftheworld.net/atlas_bear.asp
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Post by brobear on Feb 23, 2019 10:01:46 GMT -5
www.prehistoric-wildlife.com/species/u/ursus-arctos-crowtheri-atlas-bear.html Ursus arctos crowtheri a.k.a. Atlas bear, Atlas brown bear African brown bear. Size: No larger than a black bear, which are known to range from 120-200 centimetres long, 10-105 centimetres high at the shoulder. The site you posted is actually giving basic brown bear size. This post is giving a description by someone who actual saw few of these bears - late nineteenth century.
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Post by brobear on Feb 23, 2019 10:07:36 GMT -5
By the time Swiss naturalist Heinrich Rudolf Schinz saw them in 1844, Atlas bears were extremely rare and faced with extinction. At this point an animal is smaller and less aggressive than when living in vast numbers and healthy. Examples, the American grizzly and the European brown bears are not the same bears as before the great-bear-killings.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 23, 2019 10:24:53 GMT -5
Well, all this sites state that the Atlas bear weighted up to 1000 lbs, in other words that is the estimated MAX weight, some specimens, which i dont find unreasonable. But the average weight could had been like a black bear yeah. I would guess more like an American black bear (Ursus Americanus), 400 + lbs.
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Post by brobear on Feb 23, 2019 11:02:01 GMT -5
Well, all this sites state that the Atlas bear weighted up to 1000 lbs, in other words that is the estimated MAX weight, some specimens, which i dont find unreasonable. But the average weight could had been like a black bear yeah. I would guess more like an American black bear (Ursus Americanus), 400 + lbs. Estimates based merely on brown bears in general. Last Atlas bears witnessed and described were small bears. Perhaps in some future time, evidence will be found.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 23, 2019 11:23:48 GMT -5
Well, all this sites state that the Atlas bear weighted up to 1000 lbs, in other words that is the estimated MAX weight, some specimens, which i dont find unreasonable. But the average weight could had been like a black bear yeah. I would guess more like an American black bear (Ursus Americanus), 400 + lbs. Estimates based merely on brown bears in general. Last Atlas bears witnessed and described were small bears. Perhaps in some future time, evidence will be found. Ok but still, i think it deserves to be in the top 10 list, maybe in the black bears line. What has Crowtheri ever done to you brobear? You dont seem to like him very much, lol.
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Post by brobear on Feb 23, 2019 11:36:11 GMT -5
The Atlas bear may have averaged 300 pounds or he might have averaged 1300 pounds. Probably somewhere between those two extreme numbers. It would simply be a wild shot-in-the-dark to place him in a selected category.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 23, 2019 12:11:03 GMT -5
The Atlas bear may have averaged 300 pounds or he might have averaged 1300 pounds. Probably somewhere between those two extreme numbers. It would simply be a wild shot-in-the-dark to place him in a selected category. You might be right brobear. Hope we get some new info about Crowtheri soon.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 24, 2019 16:49:37 GMT -5
Ok let me give my list of the top 10 badass bears of all time. This time it will just be one by one.
#1: south american short faced bear. (Arctotherium Angustidens).
#2: North american short faced bear. (Arctodus Simus).
#3: Steppe brown bear. (Ursus arctos priscus).
#4: California Grizzly (Ursus arctos californicus).
#5: Cave bear (Ursus Ingressus).
#6: Cave bear (Ursus Spelaeus).
#7: Miocene epoch African bear (Agrotherium Africanus).
#8: Kodiak bear (Ursus arctos Middendorffi).
#9: Polar bear (Ursus maritimus).
#10: Grizzly bear (Ursus arctos Horribilis) (this includes Ursus arctos gyas also).
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Post by brobear on Feb 24, 2019 18:13:23 GMT -5
Well thought-out lineup. I don't see anything that I can disagree on.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 24, 2019 18:50:53 GMT -5
Well thought-out lineup. I don't see anything that I can disagree on. Great brobear. I thought about this list good.
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Post by brobear on Feb 28, 2019 6:50:23 GMT -5
I would down-size just a hair: Arctodus simus: average - 1200 pounds / normal max - 2000 pounds / absolute max - 2500 pounds. Arctotherium angustidens: average - 1800 pounds / normal max - 2500 pounds / absolute max - 3000 pounds. You ( King Kodiak ) might be right; I might be right or we could both be off by hundreds of pounds. Its all guesswork.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 28, 2019 7:03:04 GMT -5
By “absolute max” , you mean the largest species ever found?
i agree is mostly guess work based on our readings.
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Post by brobear on Feb 28, 2019 7:45:01 GMT -5
By “absolute max” , you mean the largest species ever found?
i agree is mostly guess work based on our readings. I mean that anything bigger than the absolute max would be a freak such as a bear suffering from a result of gigantism caused by excess growth hormone.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 28, 2019 7:54:31 GMT -5
By “absolute max” , you mean the largest species ever found?
i agree is mostly guess work based on our readings. I mean that anything bigger than the absolute max would be a freak such as a bear suffering from a result of gigantism caused by excess growth hormone. Oh yeah i definatly agree there, the largest bear ever found, about 3500 lbs, based on the humerus, was a real freak of nature.
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Post by brobear on Feb 28, 2019 8:46:53 GMT -5
Oh yeah i definatly agree there, the largest bear ever found, about 3500 lbs, based on the humerus, was a real freak of nature. *I believe that he was simply a big old bear, maybe 30 or 40 years old. Boss of his domain. His weight was first estimated at 4,500 pounds - then 3,500 pounds - then ( by some ) down to 2,440 pounds. 3,000 or possibly 3,500 is probably a close guess. Normal max. *Note: it is theoretically possible that he was a "freak". But ( IMO ) if a future race of people ever dig-up rare scattered fossil remains of humans of this industrial age, what would be the chances of among their rare finds they discover Andre the Giant?
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 28, 2019 10:04:57 GMT -5
Oh yeah i definatly agree there, the largest bear ever found, about 3500 lbs, based on the humerus, was a real freak of nature. *I believe that he was simply a big old bear, maybe 30 or 40 years old. Boss of his domain. His weight was first estimated at 4,500 pounds - then 3,500 pounds - then ( by some ) down to 2,440 pounds. 3,000 or possibly 3,500 is probably a close guess. Normal max. *Note: it is theoretically possible that he was a "freak". But ( IMO ) if a future race of people ever dig-up rare scattered fossil remains of humans of this industrial age, what would be the chances of among their rare finds they discover Andre the Giant? You have a great point there.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 28, 2019 10:10:30 GMT -5
I would down-size just a hair: Arctodus simus: average - 1200 pounds / normal max - 2000 pounds / absolute max - 2500 pounds. Arctotherium angustidens: average - 1800 pounds / normal max - 2500 pounds / absolute max - 3000 pounds. You ( King Kodiak ) might be right; I might be right or we could both be off by hundreds of pounds. Its all guesswork.
In this guess work game, i have the averages just a little higher. But as i can see, we have the absolute max weights exactly the same. Angustidens: 3000 lbs. Simus: 2500 lbs.
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Post by brobear on Feb 28, 2019 13:42:07 GMT -5
Tigerluver at Wildface has both giant short-faced bears at: 1100 kilograms is equal to 2,425.08 pounds (avoirdupois)... normal maximum. I honestly believe that few, even among the experts agree.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 28, 2019 14:45:44 GMT -5
Tigerluver at Wildface has both giant short-faced bears at: 1100 kilograms is equal to 2,425.08 pounds (avoirdupois)... normal maximum. I honestly believe that few, even among the experts agree. Oh so Tigerluver is closeer to what i have than you are. I have Angustidens at notmal max weight of 2500 lbs, absolute max 3000 lbs. but i have Simus less than that, i have him normal max of about 2000 lbs, absolute max 2500 lbs.
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