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Post by brobear on Feb 21, 2019 18:11:39 GMT -5
You are becoming old Brobear, ha ha ha. i was about to ask you what the hell happened with the cave bears? I see you also added the black bear, which is good.
Anyways, yeah that new list is better, our lists are pretty close. Bear number #10 ( think about it )... is more than a tiger wants to fight.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 21, 2019 18:13:20 GMT -5
Anyways, poor Atlas bear (Ursus arctos crowtheri), no one even mentioned him. I think we missed him bro.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 21, 2019 18:16:17 GMT -5
You are becoming old Brobear, ha ha ha. i was about to ask you what the hell happened with the cave bears? I see you also added the black bear, which is good.
Anyways, yeah that new list is better, our lists are pretty close. Bear number #10 ( think about it )... is more than a tiger wants to fight. Great point , ha ha ha. Tiger is at the limit at bear #10. Anyways, we totally left this thread’s topic brobear.
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Post by brobear on Feb 22, 2019 2:00:55 GMT -5
Ursus priscus vs Arctodus simus = King Kong vs Godzilla, a battle of monsters. I would vote on the Steppe bear but I would not wager too heavy.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 22, 2019 4:43:34 GMT -5
I agree Brobear. Steppe bear, not by much though, and at same weight or course.
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Post by brobear on Feb 22, 2019 5:59:54 GMT -5
I agree Brobear. Steppe bear, not by much though, and at same weight or course.
During my years on the old AVA, first the "Tyrant Sea Bear" ( Ursus maritimus tyrannus ) was discovered. At first, this "giant polar bear" was described as a bear much larger than the biggest-ever bear, Arctodus simus. He was said to weigh 2500 pounds. A few years roll by before another giant bear is discovered. This time, the species is not new, but never before had a specimen been found of such gargantuan proportions. Artotherium angustidens rocked the world of Pleistocene paleontology. Then comes within the last couple of years more news about extinct bears. The "Tyrant Sea Bear" is most likely Ursus priscus , the "European Steppe Bear". *Note: each bear is, in the beginning, over-estimated in its size. Keep watch for new findings. There will always be more fossil animals to be discovered.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 22, 2019 6:52:16 GMT -5
Yeah brobear, thats what i try to find everyday, new news. Who knows? Maybe soon they will find fossils of a 5000 lb bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 22, 2019 6:56:52 GMT -5
Hey bro, i had to add the Atlas bear to the #5 line. I could not keep that subspecies out.
1-no doubt. 2-no doubt. 3-A. africanus-C.grizzly. I add CAVE BEAR. Ursus spelaeus, and Ursus ingressus. 4-no doubt. 5-no doubt. URSUS ARCTOS CROWTHERY. 6-i add GRIZZLY BEAR. 7-Carpathian brown bear. 8-BLACK BEAR (AMERICAN), barren ground grizzly. 9-Gobi bear and sloth. 10-Ursus arctos arctos.
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Post by brobear on Feb 22, 2019 7:02:04 GMT -5
A SyFy drawing of Indarctos vs Allosaurus. Who knows? Maybe soon they will find fossils of a 5000 lb bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 22, 2019 7:52:55 GMT -5
Brobear: why you have not included Indarctos? Very little info?
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Post by brobear on Feb 22, 2019 7:57:25 GMT -5
Brobear: why you have not included Indarctos? Very little info? I am waiting for more concrete facts. No one agrees.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 22, 2019 10:10:53 GMT -5
Brobear: why you have not included Indarctos? Very little info? I am waiting for more concrete facts. No one agrees. I never really did any research on Indarctos, should not be much to read. I will later, lets see what i can find. Indarctos: the 6000 lb bear, can you imagine? The myth continues.
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Post by brobear on Feb 22, 2019 10:26:46 GMT -5
I am waiting for more concrete facts. No one agrees. I never really did any research on Indarctos, should not be much to read. I will later, lets see what i can find. Indarctos: the 6000 lb bear, can you imagine? The myth continues. Before you do; go to "Bear Evolution"...
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 22, 2019 12:24:01 GMT -5
I never really did any research on Indarctos, should not be much to read. I will later, lets see what i can find. Indarctos: the 6000 lb bear, can you imagine? The myth continues. Before you do; go to "Bear Evolution"... Yeah, I will analyze the bear Evolution thread good.
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Post by brobear on Feb 23, 2019 5:39:58 GMT -5
How is it even possible... scratching my head. I forgot all about the cave bears. = reload. 1 - Arctotherium angustidens. 2 - Arctodus simus and the European Steppe bear. 3 - Agriotherium africanus, California grizzly, Ursus spelaeus, and Ursus ingressus. 4 - Kodiak bear, polar bear and Ursus Deningeri. 5 - Alaskan peninsula brown bear, Kamchatka brown bear and Indarctos. 6 - Amur brown bear, Hokkaido brown bear and the mountain grizzly. 7 - Carpathian brown bear and Florida spectacled bear. 8 - Barren ground grizzly, Gobi bear and Tibetan blue bear. 9 - European brown bear. 10 - American black bear, Asiatic black bear and sloth bear. There are bears missing ( left out - just too many ). But this is my basic look at the top most "bad-ass bears". The giant South American short-faced bear was the undisputed king of bears with both the North American short-faced bear and the European Steppe grizzly running a close second place.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 23, 2019 7:16:31 GMT -5
How is it even possible... scratching my head. I forgot all about the cave bears. = reload. 1 - Arctotherium angustidens. 2 - Arctodus simus and the European Steppe bear. 3 - Agriotherium africanus, California grizzly, Ursus spelaeus, and Ursus ingressus. 4 - Kodiak bear, polar bear and Ursus Deningeri. 5 - Alaskan peninsula brown bear, Kamchatka brown bear and Indarctos. 6 - Amur brown bear, Hokkaido brown bear and the mountain grizzly. 7 - Carpathian brown bear and Florida spectacled bear. 8 - Barren ground grizzly, Gobi bear and Tibetan blue bear. 9 - European brown bear. 10 - American black bear, Asiatic black bear and sloth bear. There are bears missing ( left out - just too many ). But this is my basic look at the top most "bad-ass bears". The giant South American short-faced bear was the undisputed king of bears with both the North American short-faced bear and the European Steppe grizzly running a close second place. Indarctos in line # 5? Just wait until they confirm he was 6000 lbs, then you will see. Ha ha ha. yeah pretty much our lists are the same. I would add the Atlas bear in line # 5 though. Line # 3 is great, probably the most competitive.
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Post by brobear on Feb 23, 2019 7:36:25 GMT -5
1 - King of bears ( so far ). 2 - Battle of Champions. 3 - I agree - intense competition. 4 - Great competition - my nickel is on the Kodiak bear. 5 - Interesting competition. 6 - Battle of the grizzlies. 7 - Florida "short-faced" bear has size advantage, but was probably a relatively peaceful herbivore. 8 - Our three short-fuzzed highly aggressive grizzlies - all in the same size-range. 9 - Standing alone. 10 - Three tough black bears. *Note: not enough known about the Atlas bear ( mostly guesswork ).
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 23, 2019 7:52:12 GMT -5
I agree with basically everything. But you put Indarctos at line # 5 even though we have even less info than Crowtheri. We know Crowtheri was 9 feet long and about 1000 lbs. i have him in line # 5 also.
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Post by brobear on Feb 23, 2019 9:38:40 GMT -5
I agree with basically everything. But you put Indarctos at line # 5 even though we have even less info than Crowtheri. We know Crowtheri was 9 feet long and about 1000 lbs. i have him in line # 5 also. No, we have nothing solid on the Atlas bear. Not even fossil remains - just hearsay. We do have a few Indarctos fossils. The size given, 500 kilograms is equal to 1,102.31 pounds (avoirdupois) is from actual fossil remains.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 23, 2019 9:52:55 GMT -5
ATLAS BEAR Size and Weight: Up to nine feet long and 1,000 pounds Diet: Omnivorous Distinguishing Characteristics: Long, brown-black fur; short claws and muzzle About the Atlas Bear Named after the Atlas Mountains that spans modern-day Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria, the Atlas Bear (Ursus Arctos crowtherii) was the only bear ever to be native to Africa. Most naturalists consider this shaggy giant to be a subspecies of the Brown Bear (Ursus arctos), while others argue that it deserves its own species name under the Ursus genus. Whatever the case, the Atlas Bear was well on its way to extinction during early historical times; it was hunted intensively for sport and captured for arena combat by the Romans that conquered northern Africa in the first century A.D. Scattered populations of the Atlas Bear persisted until the late 19th century, when the last remnants were wiped out in Morocco's Rif Mountains. www.thoughtco.com/atlas-bear-facts-and-figures-1093048
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