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Post by brobear on Dec 24, 2020 9:34:14 GMT -5
Wolf ( 110.23 pounds ) vs Hyena ( 132.28 pounds ). At this size range, 22 pounds is a noticeable difference. Not a game-changer but definitely an advantage giving the hyena an edge.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 24, 2020 9:52:33 GMT -5
theundertaker45 : Am not an arrogant poster. You yourself have convinced me several times and i changed my opinion. For example, you convinced me that a Kodiak bear would defeat a Sumatran rhino remember? You also convinced me in another fight i cant remember which one now. So you know i can change.
But for this "weight matter", i haven't been convinced yet. I just dont see it to be honest. An animal that weights 60 kg should not push around an animal that weights 50 kg, even if its a 20% difference.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 24, 2020 9:55:29 GMT -5
Wolf ( 110.23 pounds ) vs Hyena ( 132.28 pounds ). At this size range, 22 pounds is a noticeable difference. Not a game-changer but definitely an advantage giving the hyena an edge. |
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Post by theundertaker45 on Dec 24, 2020 9:56:04 GMT -5
King Kodiak I agree with you on that part. At this weight class I also wouldn't call it a "push around"; you'd have to go down to the 10-20kg weight class which would include a variety of small mammals. In my analysis I called it a 70/30 in favour of the hyena, with that being said I also don't think that the hyena would have an easy time during the 70% of the bouts it wins against a wolf imo. If the hyena wins the fight, it will be quite a hard task.
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Post by brobear on Dec 24, 2020 10:25:24 GMT -5
Wolf ( 110.23 pounds ) vs Hyena ( 132.28 pounds ). At this size range, 22 pounds is a noticeable difference. Not a game-changer but definitely an advantage giving the hyena an edge. Fully explained in repy#5 and reply #31. They each have numerous advantages. The weight advantage of the hyena is a noteworthy advantage; but just one advantage out of numerous others. Reply #40: "At this size range, 22 pounds is a noticeable difference. Not a game-changer but definitely an advantage giving the hyena an edge." Note: "NOT a game-changer". Reply #31: "Basically, it seems that it boils down to the slight weight advantage of the hyena vs the slight speed advantage of the wolf. But, once a set of jaws is wrapped around the throat of the other; its over." *First to grip his ( or her ) opponent's throat is the victor ( IMO ). |
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 24, 2020 10:45:08 GMT -5
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Post by tom on Dec 24, 2020 14:14:07 GMT -5
Yet you voted for 50%, why? Lol. But, once a set of jaws is wrapped around the throat of the other; its over." *First to grip his ( or her ) opponent's throat is the victor ( IMO ). That's a valid point and one I pointed out in one of my earlier posts. As was the case of a male Wolf who got the drop on a Cougar and had him by the throat dead to rights. Only one problem.... he relaxed his grip just enough for the Cougar to do a reversal and the Cougar didn't make the same mistake, end of Wolf. Was the Cougar heavier? not sure no estimates were given. With Weight comes leverage. But which is the more agile? Which has the greater speed? is the weight advantage enough to overcome both agility and or speed. Not saying the Wolf is more agile than the Hyena but I do believe the Wolf has the speed advantage. Male Gray Wolves can reach 140 lbs or even more from some sources I've seen, but the accepted averages seem to point to 80-110. Of course averages can always vary depending on what region they come from. The female spotted Hyena 88- 190 lbs. depending on your source and region of Africa. So in our comparison of a 110 lb Wolf and a 132 lb. Hyena, that probably fits an average as best as any. I could see a win percentage of 70/30 for the Hyena, but I certainly wouldn't go so far as to say 100% Hyena. 50/50 is certainly IMO within the realm as well. This is one of those Battles where there is no real life experiences to draw from so all we are left with is hypotheses and opinions. |
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Post by brobear on Dec 24, 2020 17:36:39 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_hyena In Western Europe at least, the cave hyena's extinction coincided with a decline in grasslands 12,500 years ago. Europe experienced a massive loss of lowland habitats favoured by cave hyenas, and a corresponding increase in mixed woodlands. Cave hyenas, under these circumstances, would have been outcompeted by wolves and humans which were as much at home in forests as in open lands, and in highlands as in lowlands.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 25, 2020 23:37:44 GMT -5
Reply 45. I would make even more sense that wolves corporate better in a pack than hyenas do.
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Post by brobear on Dec 26, 2020 0:43:23 GMT -5
TheGreenAgriotherium says: " It would make even more sense that wolves corporate better in a pack than hyenas do."
*I agree. A wolf pack is a highly organized unit. A clan of hyenas is ( IMO ) a "street gang".
Tom says: "This is one of those Battles where there is no real life experiences to draw from so all we are left with is hypotheses and opinions."
*I agree 100%.
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Post by nocapakabl on Jan 7, 2021 18:22:50 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jan 9, 2021 4:35:08 GMT -5
We will probably never know which of these pack-hunters dominated the European Pleistocene. |
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Post by brobear on Jan 10, 2021 2:14:47 GMT -5
Credit goes to "SameerPrehistorica" (Deviant Art) for the models.
 The dire wolf of N. America and the cave hyena of Europe never met, but it would have been interesting if they had. |
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Post by brobear on Jan 10, 2021 2:16:48 GMT -5
Prehistoric Creatures - Pachycrocuta was a genus of prehistoric hyenas. The largest and most well-researched species is Pachycrocuta brevirostris, colloquially known as the giant short-faced hyena as it stood about 90–100 cm (35–39 in) at the shoulder[1] and it is estimated to have averaged 110 kg (240 lb) in weight,[2] approaching the size of a lioness, making it the largest known hyena. Pachycrocuta first appeared during the late Miocene (Messinian, 7.2 to 5.3 million years ago[3]) and became extinct during the middle Pleistocene, 400,000 years ago. By Coyotay Moon's Child Stephenson  |
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Post by nocapakabl on Jan 27, 2021 4:22:12 GMT -5
I favor the Hyena 7/10 At average weights, a ~68 kg Hyena (East & Hofer, 2013) Or a ~65 kg Hyena (Smuts, 1982) will be too large for a average northwestern wolf, weighing ~52 kg; The hyena will Have a good size advantage, Is more robust & Would have stronger jaws (I'm aware that wolves possibly have a stronger bite at Parity, But the size advantage should shift it towards the hyena's favor.) At max sizes, i still favor the hyena; A female Hyena weighing ~88 kg has been reported by GL Smuts, 1982. Other sources, such as Peter Turnbull, 1967 Have also reported Hyena's weighing upto 86 kg. in comparison, the largest wolf was ~81 kg Alot of stomach contents & Would've weighed around around ~71 kg without stomach content. though, wolves rarely get above ~60 kg:
IMO, at Both max and average sizes, the weight advantage the hyena holds is significant enough to give it the win the majority of times. at parity, it's a debatable match up.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jan 29, 2021 0:19:49 GMT -5
This topic has always been one of the top ten of most popular debates.
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Post by brobear on Jan 29, 2021 2:37:22 GMT -5
Numbers Matter: hyena-project.com/the-clans/ The Ngorongoro Crater is inhabited by eight spotted hyena clans. Clans currently consist of between 33 and 72 hyenas and total population size is at 382 individuals, including 295 adults. The number of adult hyenas currently living in the Crater is higher than at the beginning of our study in 1996 but lower than in the late 1960s when 385 adult hyenas were estimated to live in the Crater. www.wolfmatters.org/wolf-facts.html Pack sizes range from three to twenty wolves. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 9, 2021 23:29:06 GMT -5
MontezumaI know you love wolves, so your opinion on this thread would be nice. Note: the most knowledgeable poster on wolves (thenormalguy) favours the hyena.
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Post by brobear on Apr 9, 2021 23:30:38 GMT -5
Montezuma I know you love wolves, so your opinion on this thread would be nice. Note: the most knowledgeable poster on wolves (thenormalguy) favours the hyena. ...reluctantly but honestly  |
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 10, 2021 0:53:04 GMT -5
Despite of being a wolf lover, i will honestly say that a hyena would win 9 out of 10 times against a wolf and i alsoo voted the hyena as a winner in the poll. The hyena is not as good as hunting like a wolf but is stronger, larger and have a more powerful bite. As noble tigerfans like peter admited to bears so like them i will also admit to hyena. Hyena wins.
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