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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 7, 2018 20:59:05 GMT -5
Yeah but with the bears long claws and powerful swipe, its not surprising that a grizzly can decapitate a wolf, its not like it always happens, just happened once on record.
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Post by BruteStrength on Dec 7, 2018 21:07:32 GMT -5
Yeah but with the bears long claws and powerful swipe, its not surprising that a grizzly can decapitate a wolf, its not like it always happens, just happened once on record. I personally. don't believe it. Let me ask you this. It says on wiki that a tiger can kill a bear with one paw swipe to it's back. Do you believe that because I don't? A bear is a very tough animal. This is from the wiki. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloth_bearOne tiger was reported to simply break its victim's back with its paw, then wait for the paralysed bear to exhaust itself trying to escape before going in for the kill.[34]
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Post by BruteStrength on Dec 7, 2018 21:23:20 GMT -5
Also go to 9:32 in this video and you can see a bear hit a wolf and there's no decapitation. Now maybe if we use a bear 900 pounds and up then maybe it can decapitate.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 7, 2018 22:01:24 GMT -5
Yeah but with the bears long claws and powerful swipe, its not surprising that a grizzly can decapitate a wolf, its not like it always happens, just happened once on record. I personally. don't believe it. Let me ask you this. It says on wiki that a tiger can kill a bear with one paw swipe to it's back. Do you believe that because I don't? A bear is a very tough animal. This is from the wiki. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloth_bearOne tiger was reported to simply break its victim's back with its paw, then wait for the paralysed bear to exhaust itself trying to escape before going in for the kill.[34] Was it a sloth bear? Who knows, maybe it happened one time.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 7, 2018 22:04:50 GMT -5
Also go to 9:32 in this video and you can see a bear hit a wolf and there's no decapitation. Now maybe if we use a bear 900 pounds and up then maybe it can decapitate. Yeah but just because that bear did not decapitate that wolf in that video does not mean it didnt happen to the other wolf, the news was clear bro, the wolf got decapitated. It happened once, not always.
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Post by BruteStrength on Dec 7, 2018 22:06:01 GMT -5
I don't know I wonder what Peter from wildfact think about this topic.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 7, 2018 22:06:47 GMT -5
I don't know I wonder what Peter from wildfact think about this topic. I wonder also. Brobear would have to ask him.
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Post by BruteStrength on Dec 7, 2018 22:08:29 GMT -5
Yes I think he should. Bears are still the king. Unlike tigers. The bear is the true master of the Rough rugged forest.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 7, 2018 22:14:49 GMT -5
Yes I think he should. Bears are still the king. Unlike tigers. The bear is the true master of the Rough rugged forest. See we agree there, ha ha ha.
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Post by brobear on Dec 30, 2018 5:57:03 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 30, 2018 7:34:55 GMT -5
BEAR-INDUCED INJURIES Bear-inflicted injuries range from minor, treated on an outpatient basis, to complex, requiring hospitalization and surgery, typically resulting in significant cosmetic and functional disability. In this regard, bear attacks are similar to most other animal attacks, particularly those inflicted by large animals. The character of such injuries is determined in part by the three main sources: teeth, claws, and paws. The teeth of bears, especially the canines, are large and sturdy. Although the teeth are not particularly sharp, the power of the jaw muscles allows the teeth to penetrate deep into soft tissues and to fracture facial bones and bones of the hand and forearm with ease. The trauma characteristically results from punctures, with shearing, tearing, and crushing forces (Figure 43-20). The claws are another important source of trauma. Although the claws on the front pads can be as long as human fingers, they are not particularly sharp on grizzlies and polar bears. The bear’s shoulders, however, provide the force and speed that allows claws to cause significant soft tissue damage in a scraping maneuver that results in deep, parallel gashes. Because black bear claws are sharper and more curved, the cuts tend to have sharper, less ragged edges. The bear paw is capable of delivering a powerful force, resulting in significant blunt trauma, particularly to the head and neck, ribcage, and abdominal cavity, especially solid organ rupture. Therefore victims of bear attacks should be evaluated for occult blunt trauma.
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Post by brobear on Dec 30, 2018 7:56:19 GMT -5
I don't know I wonder what Peter from wildfact think about this topic. Like most wild-animal enthusiasts, Peter looks for real evidence. We read a lot of old reports of bears ( especially grizzly bears ) killing large herbivores with a powerful paw-strike. But, we do not see grizzlies, such as in Yellowstone, killing elk or bison with a paw-swipe. Why? I have a theory - IMO - Doug Peacock stated that the most predatory grizzlies have been systematically culled from all brown bear populations throughout all of N. America ever since the production of breech-load rifles first appeared in 1848. This culling is still taking place. Human activity has drastically changed the nature and habits of the grizzly. While he still has the capability, the use of this raw power now lives only in great bear's subconscious mind.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 2, 2019 6:33:33 GMT -5
And i completely agree with your theory Brobear. Anyways it wasnt “a paw swipe” but most times many swipes. We have seen accounts of grizzlies decapitating moose, and 1 very clear news of a grizzly that decapitated an Alpha wolf with one paw swipe. But those are very rare and limited cases. But it can happen.
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Post by brobear on Jan 5, 2019 6:35:34 GMT -5
We watch grizzlies fighting on videos and TV documentaries. Not in every fight, but I would claim at least 50% of such fights we witness paw-strikes. IMO - the true power of the paw-strike is lost to the viewer because the bear on the receiving end is able to absorb the impact. While I believe that the paw-swipe of most bear species ( especially the grizzly ) delivers a much greater force of impact than that from any big cat, still I believe many of the old tales to be greatly exaggerated. In all honesty - in giving this matter a great deal of thought - I can't accept the tales of moose being decapitated or the skulls of bulls being crushed. I can, however, believe that a powerful paw-strike from a big boar grizzly could crack a skull and/or stagger a large herbivore such as a bull or a moose. I also believe that a big boar grizzly can absorb the impact from a powerful paw-strike unharmed that might break the neck of a lion or a tiger.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 5, 2019 7:30:44 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jan 5, 2019 7:34:28 GMT -5
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/canada/1490932/Bear-kills-wolf-in-grizzly-attack.html Bear kills wolf in grizzly attack By Fred Langan in Toronto12:01AM BST 28 May 2005 When a four-year old grizzly bear was put in the same five-acre enclosure as four grey wolves, each about the size of a large alsatian, at the Grouse Mountain Refuge for Endangered Wildlife in Vancouver, it was supposed to "provide wildlife with the most natural setting possible". Rather too natural for the dozen or so tourists who watched in horror when the alpha-male wolf went nose-to-nose with the bear over a cow bone. With a single swipe of its paw the 500lb bear took the wolf's head off. In the wild the two species seldom meet. The three remaining wolves are now in a separate enclosure.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 5, 2019 7:39:02 GMT -5
Yeah the wolf pissed off the 500 lb bear so thats what happened.
do you believe this one Brobear?
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Post by brobear on Jan 5, 2019 7:41:34 GMT -5
Yeah the wolf pissed off the 500 lb bear oso thats what happened.
do you believe this one Brobear? Wolf; basically a big dog. Yes, this is within my range of believability.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 5, 2019 8:04:34 GMT -5
Yeah the wolf pissed off the 500 lb bear oso thats what happened.
do you believe this one Brobear? Wolf; basically a big dog. Yes, this is within my range of believability. Me and you are on the same page. 👌
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Post by brobear on Jan 5, 2019 8:21:33 GMT -5
There are still to this day both lion fans and tiger fans who will tell you that their favorite big cat can deliver a more devastating paw-strike than a grizzly. This is not within my range of believability.
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