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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 5, 2019 8:25:01 GMT -5
There are still to this day both lion fans and tiger fans who will tell you that their favorite big cat can deliver a more devastating paw-strike than a grizzly. This is not within my range of believability. Dont mind them, they just want to make you laugh.
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Post by Kamchatka on Jan 10, 2019 17:52:49 GMT -5
See cougar vs bear 'swipe' style at 4 minutes into video:
Lion and tiger hit with same cat speed and accuracy but with greater reach-range and power.
Loose shoulder musculoskeletal arrangement and flexibility of cat body form allows for this.
Excellent visual acuity of cat also ensures accurate vector/range assessment of paw strike.
Cat claws are able to 'rake-hook' or 'dagger-punch' during strike by front paws as selected for purpose.
Some bears become very skilled at salmon fishing by well-timed paw-strike claw-grasp abilities too.
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Post by brobear on Jan 10, 2019 18:07:12 GMT -5
You show us a video where a cougar meets a bear cub of no more than three years old at best. Do some research. A bear has both greater strength and greater range of motion in his fore-arms due to his larger scapula and the shoulder hump. Perhaps the cat has greater speed, but a grizzly has him beat in power.
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Post by Kamchatka on Jan 10, 2019 18:33:21 GMT -5
See the video posted brobear.
What is age of bear by your estimate?
You are incorrect about morphology.
Bear shoulder hump is muscle development mainly due to vertical angle digging activity.
Bear shoulder musculoskeletal attachment structure is more rigid and limited in motion.
Sceintific analysis link posted on this site explained effect of greater triceps use by cat body form.
This enables striking speed/power as well as reach-grasp capabilities needed for usual prey capture-control.
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Post by brobear on Jan 10, 2019 18:46:27 GMT -5
www.allgrizzly.org/ Front limbs Of all the morphologic features that typify bears, the front limbs and associated skeletal infrastructure are the most distinctive. They are also diagnostic of the bear life strategy (see Life strategy). No other terrestrial vertebrate of its size--certainly no other large carnivore--has front limbs that are as flexible, powerfully built, and mounted with such dexterous paws. Nor do any comparable-sized carnivores have such out-sized claws...claws which are clearly "designed" to be powered by the muscular arms and shoulders to either climb trees, extract food from a durable matrix (i.e., dig), or grapple with and subdue large prey such as seals, moose, and elk. What follows is a summary of the evidence produced over the years elaborating on and substantiating the preceding thumbnail sketch. You will have to forgive me for the abundance that follows, but it is reflective of the extent to which I see this aspect of bear morphology as key to understanding the overall bear life strategy--as well as niche.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 19, 2019 5:21:29 GMT -5
Very serious damage damage done by swipes here.
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Post by brobear on Jan 19, 2019 6:19:31 GMT -5
Nice pics of bear-claw damage. Consider too that very popular video that caused such a fuss from a "guest" where the mother grizzly charged after the hungry angry boar grizzly - twice. She finally ended his aggression with a paw-strike that rocked his world and left him staggered. ( might possibly have killed a big cat ).
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 19, 2019 6:27:35 GMT -5
Nice pics of bear-claw damage. Consider too that very popular video that caused such a fuss from a "guest" where the mother grizzly charged after the hungry angry boar grizzly - twice. She finally ended his aggression with a paw-strike that rocked his world and left him staggered. ( might possibly have killed a big cat ). You are correct yeah. That was a very hard paw strike. Could have killed or at least crippled a big cat.
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Post by tom on Jan 19, 2019 8:56:59 GMT -5
Damn that picture of the Bear with his hide ripped open just reinforces my opinion on what could happen to the the Belgian Blue should a large Kodiak acquire the taste for beef.
Good find Kodiak !
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 19, 2019 11:04:03 GMT -5
Thanks Tom. Take a look at this, very rare footage, a black bear throwing a little swipe at a bull.
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Post by brobear on Feb 13, 2019 11:56:40 GMT -5
www.bearmageddonnews.com/2019/02/11/woman-who-used-potato-diet-to-keep-bear-from-eating-her-decapitated-by-bear/?fbclid=IwAR0I7WW-sS3M7tXgfMAuXTuzDjd9lZRdfCD5p_eyCw4TLRzZnIYZiae_zBA Woman Who Used Potato Diet to Keep Bear From Eating Her Decapitated by Bear. FAIRVIEW, AB — An Edmonton woman who wanted to test her theory that bears don’t want to eat people if they taste like potatoes went into the Alberta wilderness on Tuesday and never returned. Kristi Shmyr, a social justice activist and nature lover, had eaten only potatoes for seven years and was convinced that her entire essence had become 100% potatoey. But Rangers found the woman’s head about thirteen kilometers from the area where she had gone into the forest to test her theory. Experts say it looked as if it had been swatted off like a tennis ball and traveled a great distance. The Forest Service later found the rest of Kristi’s body unscathed, not far from the trail head where she entered the forest. Bear expert and ranger, Morris VonSpinkler told the press that the evidence showed that Shmyr had gone into the forest to prove her theory that she could walk up to a bear and not be eaten if the bear perceived her to be a walking, bipedal potato. “It was a sound theory. Bears hate potatoes,” VonSpinkler said. “But nobody had ever considered what a bear might do to a sentient, moving potato with a soul. We now have our answer.” Forensics teams said that the amount of force the bear used to swat the head off of the woman’s neck was godlike. “Imagine if Thor played tee-ball with his hammer,” VonSpinkler said. “This was definitely a crime of passion,” the chief examiner told the press. Kristi Shmyr’s Facebook profile was left with a final post that read, “If what I am about to do works, humanity may never again experience the horror of having one of their own devoured by bears. Wish me luck.” The post had a photograph of Shmyr’s hand holding a potato against a radiant sunset with the sun beaming out from behind it. “I’m so proud of her,” said Shmyr’s partner, Deja. “She set out to prove something and she proved it. Nobody else ever again has to die by being eaten by bears. All they have to do is eat potatoes for seven straight years. That knowledge is out there now because of Kristi. She’s a hero.” Kristi Shmyr was born 18 July, 1978 and was forty years old at the time of her death. She is survived by her dog Lua, her partner Deja, and her We, Corey. A memorial service will be held at Gin N’ Taters Potato Farm in Fairview on Sunday. Shmyr will be buried under a pile of potatoes, as was her dying wish.
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Post by brobear on Feb 13, 2019 11:58:59 GMT -5
Quote from above post: Forensics teams said that the amount of force the bear used to swat the head off of the woman’s neck was godlike. “Imagine if Thor played tee-ball with his hammer,” VonSpinkler said.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 13, 2019 12:38:21 GMT -5
Quote from above post: Forensics teams said that the amount of force the bear used to swat the head off of the woman’s neck was godlike. “Imagine if Thor played tee-ball with his hammer,” VonSpinkler said. Great find brobear. More clear proof that bears can decapitate. I think bears are the only animals that actually have accounts decapitating. Moose, wolf, and humans.
“She proved her theory” nice way of proving it, ha ha ha.
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Post by brobear on Feb 25, 2019 8:33:28 GMT -5
When a big cat fan-boy tries to tell you that their chosen big cat has an advantage over bears when it comes to claws... you just laugh.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 25, 2019 8:56:12 GMT -5
I have been laughing all along brobear.
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Post by brobear on Feb 25, 2019 16:55:35 GMT -5
Brown bears have very large and curved nails, with the average length reaching about 5 - 6 cm. Those on their forelimbs are longer than those on their hindquarters and can even exceed a length of 7 - 10 cm
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 26, 2019 17:11:55 GMT -5
Some very rare specimens can have up to 5 inches (12.7 cm) long claws brobear.
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Post by brobear on Mar 9, 2019 7:40:54 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/thread/1199/bear-capable-delivering-powerful-force Some basic information : BEAR ATTACKS (Copyright © 2001 by Steven P. French, M.D.) The following is the text for the 43rd chapter in the Fourth Edition of Wilderness Medicine, edited by Paul S. Auerbach, published by Mosby in 2001 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Auerbach BEAR-INDUCED INJURIES Bear-inflicted injuries range from minor, treated on an outpatient basis, to complex, requiring hospitalization and surgery, typically resulting in significant cosmetic and functional disability. In this regard, bear attacks are similar to most other animal attacks, particularly those inflicted by large animals. The character of such injuries is determined in part by the three main sources: teeth, claws, and paws. The teeth of bears, especially the canines, are large and sturdy. Although the teeth are not particularly sharp, the power of the jaw muscles allows the teeth to penetrate deep into soft tissues and to fracture facial bones and bones of the hand and forearm with ease. The trauma characteristically results from punctures, with shearing, tearing, and crushing forces (Figure 43-20). The claws are another important source of trauma. Although the claws on the front pads can be as long as human fingers, they are not particularly sharp on grizzlies and polar bears. The bear’s shoulders, however, provide the force and speed that allows claws to cause significant soft tissue damage in a scraping maneuver that results in deep, parallel gashes. Because black bear claws are sharper and more curved, the cuts tend to have sharper, less ragged edges. The bear paw is capable of delivering a powerful force, resulting in significant blunt trauma, particularly to the head and neck, ribcage, and abdominal cavity, especially solid organ rupture. Therefore victims of bear attacks should be evaluated for occult blunt trauma. ORIGINAL PAPER Large carnivore attacks on hominins during the Pleistocene:a forensic approach with a Neanderthal example Edgard Camarós www.academia.edu/12436456/Large_carnivore_attacks_on_hominins_during_the_Pleistocene_A_forensic_approach_with_a_Neanderthal_example
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 2:38:26 GMT -5
The polar bear has strong thick hooked claws for gripping ice and even the walrus' skin. Brown bears long claws will enable the to dig deeper than any big cat.
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Post by brobear on Mar 16, 2019 5:25:31 GMT -5
The polar bear has strong thick hooked claws for gripping ice and even the walrus' skin. Brown bears long claws will enable the to dig deeper than any big cat. Well, cats don't dig other than a shallow toilet. Their claws are designed to grip prey animals.
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