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Post by BruteStrength on Nov 20, 2018 23:00:00 GMT -5
Also a moose neck is too thick. It's just hard to believe that one paw swipe can decapitate a moose head. Just google pictures of how thick a moose neck is. Also it it were true then why don't we see bears decapitating moose in this day and age? I think it's all just folklore to be honest with yall.
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Post by brobear on Nov 21, 2018 3:12:07 GMT -5
You will observe some paw-strikes here:
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 21, 2018 3:59:34 GMT -5
You will observe some paw-strikes here: Yeah there you have some swipes.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 21, 2018 4:02:37 GMT -5
Brute....but according to this, there were some eyewitnesses, even a biologist. Also, looks like the moose whole upper neck structure is weak.
The claim that an adult grizzly bear can decapitate a moose with one swipe of its paw is an established fact. The first reported event took place in Alaska in 1895 by a Russian miner who was hiking through the wilderness. According to his account, he witnessed a moose drinking from a stream when a Grizzly bear approached from the other side. Moose are very territorial, and they are especially known to attack anything they perceive to be a threat to their water source. The moose charged full speed across the stream, and just as it neared the bear, the bear stood up and with a quick motion swiped the moose in the side of the face. The moose's head became decapitated and flew a distance of fifteen to twenty feet....and quick as a spark on a fire the grizzly bear stood up and swatted the moose in the face. Why it was if you or I would swat a fly, but the impact seemed to me as loud as a gunshot. And then I was absolutely flabbergasted and discombobulated to see, a great up-splash of blood, and the moose's head detached from the body and landed not three feet from where I was hidden, its eyes staring right at me. The bear sat down immediately and began drinking from the stream as if nothing had happened, as if it were a regular occurrence to go decapitating the head of a moose. Never in my life will I forget the power of the grizzly bear... The report was met by skepticism until noted American biologist Dr. Jacob MacDonaldson observed a similar event in the spring of 1954. MacDonaldson was observing the movements of a Grizzly bear when a moose walked into the same space. The grizzly bear perceived the moose to be a threat to the cubs, and roared to scare it off. But the moose began to graze. The bear then charged the moose, but again the moose did not move. The bear then lumbered over to the moose, and with a powerful swipe of its paw, decapitated the moose. Dr. MacDonaldson later retrieved the moose head an autopsy found damage consistent with that of decapitation by impact.Later studies contribute the phenomenon to both the relative weakness of a moose's upper neck and the power of a grizzly bears arm. Although a grizzly bear is very powerful, it does not have the strength to decapitate most creatures larger than a man. A moose however is peculiar in the structure of its upper neck, which is weak, and any force that puts a significant and sudden pressure on the weakest point of the neck will inevitably cause decapitation.Since 1895, there have been 15 reported cases of Moose decapitation by Grizzly, and most scientists theorize it is a natural, albeit somewhat rare, event. *It would be very interesting if the strike force of a paw-swipe could be measured for comparison.
HOWEVER: Moose have a peculiar weakness that appears to make them easy to decapitate. A human is built differently and while I have little doubt that a bear is capable of decapitating a human, what's much more likely is that such a blow would break a human's neck and send them flying. The individual would be just as dead but the head would probably still be physically affixed to the rest of the body via tendons, ligaments, skin and muscle.
Human heads represent a fairly significant portion of our body and our heads are fairly securely attached (lucky for us, it would be a bummer if they came off easily, no?)
THUS: While it is definitely possible given the strength difference between a bear and a person, that a grizzly could swipe a human head clean off, the position of the person would be the determining factor. A prostrate person receiving a downward swipe would probably be most likely to lose their head, while in general the swipe would still be fatal, but the parts would still be at least partially connected.
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Post by BruteStrength on Nov 21, 2018 7:07:38 GMT -5
I don't know. Im still not 100% sold on the whole decapitating a moose head thing.
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Post by brobear on Nov 21, 2018 7:46:49 GMT -5
I don't know. Im still not 100% sold on the whole decapitating a moose head thing. On a subject like this, with no evidence ever caught on camera, all we can each have is our opinion. I believe that a really big boar grizzly can kill a moose with a paw-strike. Whether or not the entire head is removed.... the bear don't care. Edit and add: More often, the big grizzly would wrestle with the moose and kill him with a bite or, in some cases perhaps, by breaking its neck with wrestling moves.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 21, 2018 7:56:32 GMT -5
Some people believe in moose decapitation, some dont. Like everything.
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Post by BruteStrength on Nov 21, 2018 9:16:57 GMT -5
I don't know. Im still not 100% sold on the whole decapitating a moose head thing. On a subject like this, with no evidence ever caught on camera, all we can each have is our opinion. I believe that a really big boar grizzly can kill a moose with a paw-strike. Whether or not the entire head is removed.... the bear don't care. Edit and add: More often, the big grizzly would wrestle with the moose and kill him with a bite or, in some cases perhaps, by breaking its neck with wrestling moves. Yes now I do believe that a bear can kill a moose with paw swipes. To me that make sense.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 5, 2018 19:33:22 GMT -5
Here is a video i have never seen before. Bears fighting in an Athens zoo, in the first seconds you can see some hard swipes.
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Post by brobear on Dec 6, 2018 4:01:34 GMT -5
Nice find Kodiak. In this video, wait for it. Mama Bear ends the fight with a paw-strike that might have killed a lesser animal.
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Post by brobear on Dec 6, 2018 4:48:47 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/index.cgi Go to: Ungulates then to Bison. Wild with the rage, the bear quickly regained his footing, pursued and overtook the bull, who then turned like a flash and gave him another charge. This time bruin sprang-upon the buffalo's back, and fastened his claws and teeth in the great fellow's flesh, a surprise for which the bull was not prepared. But he was equal to the situation and showed no small skill as an imitator of the bronco bucker. The buffalo plunged first one way, then the other, while the bear held on with a death-like grip, until it also was surprised by the bull's turning a complete somersault. Before the bear could recover the bull was upon it with his feet, and buried his horns deep in its shoulder. The bear then dealt the bison a blow with its paw, which sounded far off and made the bull shake his head with pain.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 6, 2018 5:04:48 GMT -5
Nice find Kodiak. In this video, wait for it. Mama Bear ends the fight with a paw-strike that might have killed a lesser animal. Awesome video. Yes i remember seeing this one long time ago. #1....the female won the fight #2....that was a very hard swipe. #3....i have NEVER seen any animal or human as mad and ferocious as that female bear was defending her cubs.
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Post by brobear on Dec 6, 2018 5:41:45 GMT -5
Yes, her sheer aggression was too much for the bigger stronger male. That paw-strike might have felled a lion or tiger. A grizzly has a thick skull and an extreme neck "designed" to absorb the impact.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 6, 2018 6:15:48 GMT -5
Yes, her sheer aggression was too much for the bigger stronger male. That paw-strike might have felled a lion or tiger. A grizzly has a thick skull and an extreme neck "designed" to absorb the impact. Imagine if that was a human instead of a male bear? That is why humans get destroyed when coming close to bear cubs.
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Post by BruteStrength on Dec 7, 2018 18:34:17 GMT -5
Great video Kodiak. I personally don't believe that a bear can decapitate anything. Also the bears in the video you shared would throwing some got paw slaps. I enjoyed it.
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Post by BruteStrength on Dec 7, 2018 18:35:48 GMT -5
Nice find Kodiak. In this video, wait for it. Mama Bear ends the fight with a paw-strike that might have killed a lesser animal. That sure was a hard paw swipe. I don't think a bear can kill with a paw swipe though.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 7, 2018 18:50:12 GMT -5
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Post by BruteStrength on Dec 7, 2018 18:54:40 GMT -5
I know but people said alot of crazy thing in the past. Like how pumas killing grizzlies and what not. We all know that' not true because grizzlies dominate pumas.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 7, 2018 19:17:54 GMT -5
I know but people said alot of crazy thing in the past. Like how pumas killing grizzlies and what not. We all know that' not true because grizzlies dominate pumas. I know but that news is from a very good newspaper and it was very recent in 2005.
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Post by BruteStrength on Dec 7, 2018 19:21:21 GMT -5
I know but people said alot of crazy thing in the past. Like how pumas killing grizzlies and what not. We all know that' not true because grizzlies dominate pumas. I know but that news is from a very good newspaper and it was very recent in 2005. True i remember watching Joe Rogan podcast and he said he talked to a woman that said she saw a big foot but what she really saw was a black bear walking on it/s hind legs.
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