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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 21:53:40 GMT -5
Hello folks, how's it going with you guys? In addition to bengal and Siberian tigers being my favorite animals, jaguars are my second favorite animals. I will dedicate this topic to show reports of jaguars Preying on animals.Jaguar kills a big caiman in BRAZIL
" Jaguars are the biggest and burliest of the New World's big cats, and rank third behind lions and tigers among the largest in the world. Packed in muscle and wielding some of the strongest jaws for their size in the cat family, they sit comfortably atop the Neotropical food web, and while elusive as heck, they sometimes permit human beings to witness them fulfil their trophic status in dramatic fashion.
Photographer Chris Brunskill caught the sequence of a lifetime along the Three Brothers River (Rio Tres Irmaos) in the Brazilian Pantanal earlier this week: a jaguar taking down what Brunskill called in a Facebook post "the biggest jacare caiman I have ever seen during my time on the river in Pantanal ". 
"The shoreline struggle between big cat and (big) caiman lasted some 20 minutes, but this wasn't exactly a tit-for-tat battle: it was a predatory exercise by a born-and-bred crocodilian-hunter.
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"Brunskill's epic photos show the jaguar administering some fierce throat chokeholds, but the photographer reported on Facebook that the killing bite – in typical jaguar fashion – was delivered to the back of the caiman's skull. This is how these low-slung, rosette-splattered, heavy-headed bruisers commonly dispatch larger prey, from capybaras to the odd black bear.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 21:54:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 21:56:40 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 12, 2020 22:48:37 GMT -5
Ian, i understand you love Felines, especially tigers, but take into consideration that this is the "domain of the bears" not the domain of the felines. So dont make a habit of making this kind of threads, i have seen you make all kinds of threads about felines in other forums, well leave it for those forums with feline fans. Here, all of us are bear fans, we dont really care about jaguar predation. What is the point of you coming here and just posting crap about felines? I dont get it really, you have plenty of feline forums for that. This is about bears baby.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 12, 2020 23:50:25 GMT -5
Reply 1. Regarding the part of the article which list the odd black bear as jaguar’s prey, I like to point out that the further north a jaguar goes, the smaller they get. The jaguars in Mexico are too small to be a threat to even female American black bears. The South American jaguars can kill female black bears but males on average are generally too large. Furthermore, there are no black bears in South or Central America. The only bear that lives in the same continent as the South American jaguar is the Spectacled bear and even then, they hardly encounter each other. There is a thread for you to post info on big cats if you want to: domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/697/interesting-data-involving-big-cats?page=1 |
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Post by brobear on Oct 13, 2020 2:10:13 GMT -5
Posted by Pantherine on carnivora.net/viewtopic.php?p=105871#p105871 www.earthtouchnews.com/natural-world/predator-vs-prey/americas-celebrity-jaguar-el-jefe-is-a-bear-hunter/ While shadowing El Jefe in the Santa Rita backcountry, biologist Chris Bugbee discovered the strewn bones of a black bear, including a crushed, tooth-punctured skull (photographer Bill Hatcher was able to capture several snapshots of the remains). Assisting with the El Jefe-tracking task was Bugbee's dog Mayke, a Belgian Malinois specially trained to sniff out jaguar and ocelot poop. Back at the lab, analysis later confirmed that jaguar scat collected at the scene contained bear hairs. According to Bugbee's colleague (and wife) Aletris Neils, with whom he runs the nonprofit Conservation CATalyst, the bear skeleton likely belonged to a young adult sow. The unusual find, Bugbee suggests, marks the first known instance of a jaguar preying on a black bear. Such an event could only occur in the American Southwest or northern Mexico, where the stomping grounds of the mainly temperate black bear and the mainly tropical/subtropical jaguar overlap. "It was north against south, and south won," Neils tells Smithsonian. Yes, it is true. An American black bear was stalked and killed by a jaguar. ianreis301, you might find some interest in the topic, "Interesting Data involving big cats" and perhaps a special interest in Reply #106.  |
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Post by brobear on Oct 13, 2020 2:42:34 GMT -5
I remember this being a topic over on - wildfact.com/forum/Your man-eaters are big cats who live where they evolved alongside large primates ( Africa and Asia ). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar Jaguars did not evolve eating large primates and do not normally see man as food. Experts have cited them as the least likely of all big cats to kill and eat man and the majority of attacks come when it has been cornered or wounded. However, such behavior appears to be more frequent where humans enter jaguar habitat and decrease prey. Captive jaguars sometimes attack zookeepers. When the conquistadors arrived in the Americas, they feared jaguars. Nevertheless, even in those times, the jaguar's chief prey was the capybara in South America and peccary further north. Charles Darwin reported a saying of Indigenous peoples of the Americas that people would not have to fear the jaguar as long as capybaras were abundant. |
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 13, 2020 2:56:35 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Oct 13, 2020 3:32:17 GMT -5
Here is a cougar compared with a black bear. I have no doubts that a jaguar can and will ambush and kill a black bear.  |
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 13, 2020 3:41:46 GMT -5
But a Mexican jaguar is much smaller than its South American counterpart. The jaguars on South America reach 220 pounds at max can reach 330 pounds for exceptionally large males.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 13, 2020 3:43:35 GMT -5
 Jaguars in Mexico seldom weigh more than 60kgs. |
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Post by brobear on Oct 13, 2020 4:03:53 GMT -5
Male jaguar - 60kg = 132 pounds.
Mexican black bear sow - 45kg to 110kg / young sow ( estimate ) 80kg = 176 pounds.
Jaguars are courageous cats ( similar to lions ). So yes, I can see this happening; and it did.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 13, 2020 4:08:44 GMT -5
/\ Do you have any information on the jaguars courage rivaling that of lions? I know the jaguar is an apex predator and would at least be more willing to confront than a cheetah or leopard.
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Post by brobear on Oct 13, 2020 4:17:47 GMT -5
/\ Do you have any information on the jaguars courage rivaling that of lions? I know the jaguar is an apex predator and would at least be more willing to confront than a cheetah or leopard. No studies. But I have watched documentaries and observed jaguars attacking large caimans and huge anacondas. They sometimes appear to be almost reckless ( like a teenager ). "Here leopard; hold my beer."  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 8:25:47 GMT -5
Ian, i understand you love Felines, especially tigers, but take into consideration that this is the "domain of the bears" not the domain of the felines. So dont make a habit of making this kind of threads, i have seen you make all kinds of threads about felines in other forums, well leave it for those forums with feline fans. Here, all of us are bear fans, we dont really care about jaguar predation. What is the point of you coming here and just posting crap about felines? I dont get it really, you have plenty of feline forums for that. This is about bears baby.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 8:27:23 GMT -5
Ian, i understand you love Felines, especially tigers, but take into consideration that this is the "domain of the bears" not the domain of the felines. So dont make a habit of making this kind of threads, i have seen you make all kinds of threads about felines in other forums, well leave it for those forums with feline fans. Here, all of us are bear fans, we dont really care about jaguar predation. What is the point of you coming here and just posting crap about felines? I dont get it really, you have plenty of feline forums for that. This is about bears baby.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 13, 2020 8:30:44 GMT -5
Its alright bro, dont worry, and its really not a rule of this forum. 1 thread is ok, but the point is not to start filling the forum with feline threads, like "tiger predation" or "impressive Bengal tigers", that's the point. This is the domain remember, we focus more on bears. But you are alright bro.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Oct 13, 2020 8:35:25 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with creating this thread, ianreis301, no need to apologise; we might actually split the "General Discussion" and create a corner where data about other species can be collected and move the discussion there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 21:00:31 GMT -5
"Filhotes de onça-pintada se alimentando de um touro morto pela mãe em uma fazenda no Pantanal (Foto do Jaguar Conservation Fund/Instituto Onça-Pintada).
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 13, 2020 21:31:37 GMT -5
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