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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 6:30:15 GMT -5
On second thought, there should be a polar bear version of Brother Bear.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 15, 2019 0:55:22 GMT -5
On second thought both polar bears and brown bears are national symbols of Greenland and Russia respectively. The brown bear is also one of Finland's national symbol too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 9:54:43 GMT -5
On second thought both polar bears and brown bears are national symbols of Greenland and Russia respectively. The brown bear is also one of Finland's national symbol too. I don’t think brown bears live in greenland
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 15, 2019 11:56:25 GMT -5
/\ I agree with you and am aware of that. That's why I use the word respectively as polar bears live in Greenland.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 2, 2019 18:00:24 GMT -5
Ancient Cult of the Brave Bear, Feared and Revered All across the far northern hemisphere bear folklore is widespread, and as far back as the Paleolithic period around 50,000 years ago archaeologists have discovered evidence of bear cults where the great beast was the lord of the animals, a semi-divine god and ancestor of humans, until the 10th century when hunting and habitat loss drove them to extinction. Cave bear fossil (Ursus spelaeus), a relative of the brown bear and polar bear from the Pleistocene epoch in Europe. (Public Domain) Cave bear fossil (Ursus spelaeus), a relative of the brown bear and polar bear from the Pleistocene epoch in Europe. ( Public Domain ) The earliest bears to roam the planet inhabited what is today North America and these creatures were small raccoon-like creatures and members of Ursidae between the Eocene and early middle Miocene periods, 38 to 18 million years ago, and the Allocyon which existed in the early Oligocene period, between 34 and 30 million years ago. Controversially, evidence of Paleolithic cave bear (Ursus spelaeus) cults among Neandertals in Western Eurasia in the Middle Paleolithic period was investigated by archaeologist André Leroi-Gourhan who discovered bear skulls, “arranged in a perfect circle in Saône-et-Loire” and this was attributed to Neanderthals performing “some sort of ceremony,” but his critics claim the apparent geometry was created by environmental conditions like swirling winds. Either way, the bears skulls had been brought together and collected. Sacred Spirit of the Slain Bear An ancient bear ritual performed by ancient Sami cultures, which today encompasses large areas of northern Norway and Sweden, parts of Finland, and the Murmansk Oblast of Russia, maintains that the bear communicates with the lord of the mountains and with the sky. In his paper The Significance of the Bear Ritual Among the Sami and Other Northern Cultures, Brandon Bledsoe, from the University of Texas says: “Of all the animals that inhabit the northern climates none has been subject to greater reverence than the bear. Indigenous societies of North America and Northern Eurasia share a seemingly uniform belief that this elusive creature is endowed with supernatural qualities.” Sámi by the fire by Aleksander Lauréus (1818) Finnish National Gallery. (Public Domain) Sámi by the fire by Aleksander Lauréus (1818) Finnish National Gallery. ( Public Domain) The Sami call the bear ìsaivoî (sacred) and their ceremonies venerating slain bears were shared by other distant indigenous cultures. Several anthropologists and archaeologists have assembled correspondences and offer reasoning for the Sami, the Tungus, the ancient Finns, the Gilyaks, the Ainu of Japan and Native North American cultures, all sharing common ancestral beliefs in bears. www.ancient-origins.net/history/ancient-cult-0012521
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 9, 2019 20:10:45 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 8, 2019 23:07:03 GMT -5
BIG BONNS:Peter, Thanks for your great level of research (and your research of my own research lol) I personally go with the Pikunov view. Bear taken by Tiger in an act of stealth, or hibernation predation but Adult male Brown Bears wearing down Tigers in fights. Its true they are equal in tooth in a claw, with slight edge effects. Tigers greater jaws, canines versus stronger forelegs and huge claws of Bears but the edgyness is difficult to overcome, proven in Lion versus Tiger fights, Grizzly versus Grizzly fights etc..etc.. thus the Bear probably wears down its antagonist with better protection and greater stamina. Ultimately the Bear wins the species debate because it can achieve much bigger and bulkier animals. Fallenmonk, No, the local peoples DO NOT consider the Tiger the king of the woods but the Brown Bear. Travellers are constantly warned about the man eating Bear of these areas but Tigers rarely approach man. Locals report that the large male Brown Bear usually dominates in fights and has been seen killing Tigers, meanwhile the symbolic animal for Russia is the Bear, not the Tiger. The Tiger is known as the King of Russia by the European Cat fanatics not by local people. Peters researched piece of the 4 year old Tiger beaten by the Bear is difficult to negate for a Bigcat fan. A 4 year old Tiger is a prime young adult male loaded with fitness and testosterone, beaten by the Brown Bear male, in what appeared to be a full out fair fight. We have to accept that these inner woodland Bear are less than some subspecies.....and thus i would rest my case, or await alternate proof. www.tapatalk.com/groups/animalsversesanimals/male-brown-bears-are-not-out-of-of-the-predatory-r-t1991-s60.html#p33963
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Post by brobear on Dec 9, 2019 3:13:38 GMT -5
Nice find King Kodiak. Quote: Bear usually dominates in fights and has been seen killing Tigers, meanwhile the symbolic animal for Russia is the Bear, not the Tiger. The Tiger is known as the King of Russia by the European Cat fanatics not by local people. *Some seem to believe ( or claim to believe ) that the tiger ranks higher in Russia than the bear because Vladimir Putin likes tigers. However, considering that a tiger is a full-time predator/killer it makes sense that the tiger would be to his liking.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 9, 2019 6:18:11 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Dec 11, 2019 3:15:24 GMT -5
In the R.F.E., the only land on earth where dwells both the tiger and the grizzly, it is the BEAR which is the chosen Symbolic Beast of Russia.
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Post by brobear on Dec 11, 2019 3:53:28 GMT -5
www.learnrussianineu.com/russian-bear-myths-reality A Russian bear is an animal that Russia has been associated with in the West for many centuries already. A lot of myths and stereotypes about the Russian bear have appeared for about 400 years. Let’s try to find out how these stereotypes appeared and what bears’ life in Russia is like. There are many bears in Russia. The most popular one is a brown bear which is known around the world as a “Russian bear”. A bear is the biggest and strongest animal on the territory of Russia and northern Europe, therefore Russians call it the forest (taiga) master. The most famous Russian bear is the Moscow bear, Mishka, that was the mascot of the 1980 Olympics. The task of this extremely cute cub was to help foreigners feel more confident and comfortable in Russia and change their attitude towards the USSR.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 11, 2019 6:38:07 GMT -5
Good thread Brobear. The Bear is the Russian national Symbol, not the tiger as some would like people to believe. Its even on Wikipedia..
The Russian Bear (Russian: Русский медведь, romanized: Russky medved) is a widespread symbol(generally of a Eurasian brown bear) for Russia, used in cartoons, articles and dramatic plays since as early as the 16th century,[1] and relating alike to the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union and the present-day Russian Federation. It often was and is used by Westerners, originated in British caricatures and later also used in the United States, and not always in a flattering context – on occasion it was used to imply that Russia is "big, brutal and clumsy" (see 19th-century cartoon below).
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Bear
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 11, 2019 7:05:33 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 12, 2019 4:08:34 GMT -5
The brown bear is also the national animal of Finland: The chestnut bear, also known as the brown bear is the national animal of Finland. In Northern Eurasia and North America, the brown bear is considered the biggest carnivoran. einfon.com/nationalsymbols/national-animal-of-finland/
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Post by brobear on Dec 12, 2019 4:35:04 GMT -5
Quote from site: reply #7: In general, the brown bear is a very unique and distinct animal. Hunting them is highly discouraged and when it was hunted, a sacred ritual had to be performed in order to pacify its vengeful spirit. This was a way of protecting this national symbol of Finland from extinction.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 13, 2019 6:26:19 GMT -5
THIS IS MADRID, SPAIN NATIONAL SYMBOL. THE BEAR AND THE STRAWBERRY TREE.
COAT OF ARMS OF MADRID.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 19, 2019 6:02:37 GMT -5
MISSOURI COAT OF ARMS
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 19, 2019 6:10:35 GMT -5
NOVGOROD OBLAST, RUSSIA
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Post by brobear on Dec 19, 2019 6:29:31 GMT -5
California:
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 19, 2019 16:56:18 GMT -5
Wow ok, how could i have forgotten about California brobear. Nice.
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