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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 26, 2020 17:09:22 GMT -5
My point was that if they happened to fight to the death head on, the tiger would win. That’s because by nature they are full carnivores unlike the sloth bear, and are therefore equipped with the weaponry to match, and familiarised with similar tasks very often. So with the grizzly vs black bear, the “more carnivorous” bear, or the one that deals with more dangerous prey, would have an advantage. Oh yeah definitely i agree. In a fight to death, the tiger would defeat a sloth bear most times.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Mar 27, 2020 13:49:02 GMT -5
Without talking about diet the more aggressive barren ground grizzly will win more often than not. If a barren ground grizzly charges a larger and stronger polar bear, it will do the same to the Asiatic black bear. The Asiatic black bear is more aggressive than the American black bear but less so the the barren ground grizzly.
The barren ground grizzly is also pound to pound stronger (longer claws, shoulder hump, stronger jaws).
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Post by brobear on Apr 1, 2020 2:47:18 GMT -5
Last comparison for today; a ~270lbs Asian black bear (85cm at the shoulders) taking on a 240lbs spectacled bear (80cm at the shoulders):
My dime is on the black bear.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 1, 2020 6:18:12 GMT -5
/\ American black bears used to displace the Florida Spectacled bears so my money is on the former.
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Post by brobear on Apr 1, 2020 6:27:40 GMT -5
/\ American black bears used to displace the Florida Spectacled bears so my money is on the former. An interesting topic. Some paleontologists believe that bears of the genus Ursus played a role in the extinction of the Tremarctinae bears ( including even Arctodus simus ). Not by outfighting them, but by having better survival skills. This is pure conjecture.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 1, 2020 6:34:03 GMT -5
/\ That’s right, an American black bear is one of the most adaptable bear. Still more aboreal bears seem to be less aggressive than the less aboreal ones. The American black bear might be more passive than the grizzly bear but it chases cougars and wolves off kills and even kills wolverines occasionally. This might mean the American black bear is more aggressive than the spectacled bear.
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Post by brobear on Apr 1, 2020 6:44:56 GMT -5
/\ That’s right, an American black bear is one of the most adaptable bear. Still more aboreal bears seem to be less aggressive than the less aboreal ones. The American black bear might be more passive than the grizzly bear but it chases cougars and wolves off kills and even kills wolverines occasionally. This might mean the American black bear is more aggressive than the spectacled bear. I basically group the Andean bear alongside the giant panda.
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Post by brobear on Apr 7, 2020 7:45:26 GMT -5
Another noteworthy point is that Ussuri brown bears are comparatively less bulky than Yellowstone grizzlies. Ussuri brown bear (average): 196cm and 264kg; BMI: 68.7Yellowstone grizzly (average): 164cm and 193kg; BMI: 71.8Ussuri brown bear (max. size): 252cm and 321kg; BMI: 50.5Yellowstone grizzly (max. size): 241cm and 325kg; BMI: 56A Yellowstone grizzly bear would be bulkier than an Ussuri brown bear at length parity. These two I would love to see a comparative picture of.... at a time when you are not overwhelmed with picture requests
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Post by brobear on Apr 24, 2020 7:01:42 GMT -5
This time we will include two popular ursids: An American black bear taking on an Asian black Bear.
American black bear vs Asiatic black bear: being the patriot that I am; I'm going with the American bear.
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Post by brobear on Apr 25, 2020 3:18:53 GMT -5
This time we will include two popular ursids: An American black bear taking on an Asian black Bear. - your thoughts?
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Post by theundertaker45 on Apr 25, 2020 5:56:56 GMT -5
Eastern black bear vs Himalayan black bear/Ussuri black bear? I'd have to go with the Asian black bear; battles between similarly-sized bears are never ended quickly and result in brutal/prolonged maulings. The Asian black bear is the better "tank" of the two imo, hence why I think that he would come out on top more often than not.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Apr 25, 2020 6:04:31 GMT -5
Nevertheless, if I had to pick the toughest black bear around, I would make a trip to the Queen Charlotte Islands and look for a big Haida Gwaii black bear there. Hopefully they'll do a size study on those island black bears in the near future, their skulls are enormous.
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Post by brobear on Apr 25, 2020 6:13:04 GMT -5
Nevertheless, if I had to pick the toughest black bear around, I would make a trip to the Queen Charlotte Islands and look for a big Haida Gwaii black bear there. Hopefully they'll do a size study on those island black bears in the near future, their skulls are enormous. The appear to have a little grizzly DNA in there. Has this ever been checked-out?
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Post by theundertaker45 on Apr 25, 2020 6:16:04 GMT -5
brobear That might be the case as they appear to have small shoulder humps similar to grizzlies. I personally think that this is a classic example of insular gigantism.
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Post by brobear on Apr 25, 2020 6:22:24 GMT -5
brobear That might be the case as they appear to have small shoulder humps similar to grizzlies. I personally think that this is a classic example of insular gigantism. I had to research the phrase "insular gigantism" and yes; I agree.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 25, 2020 10:20:23 GMT -5
This time we will include two popular ursids: An American black bear taking on an Asian black Bear. - your thoughts? We already know that the larger animal would win more often, so this fight should be at weight parity. a good fight with these bears would be at 400 lbs that both reach.
BFQ
Asian Black Bear - 95.6 at the canine tips American Black Bear - 77.2 at the canine tips
ML DIAMETERS
Asian Black Bear - 40.23% American Black Bear - 35.60% (small specimens)
Unfortunately, the Asiatic black bear was not included in the grappling ability study so we dont know his PC2 value, but am guessing there should not be much difference.
Also, the Asiatic black bear is definitely more aggressive, especially the Himalayan black bear. All this makes me believe that at weight parity, the Asiatic black bear would win 6/7 out of 10 times.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 29, 2020 18:34:41 GMT -5
I guess the glacier bear’s aggression level will be similar to that of an ordinary American black bear. The Queen Charlotte American black bear is said to be bolder and more aggressive and well as more predatory than other black bears according to Big Bons.
I agree the average Asiatic black bear will be more aggressive than the average American black bear.
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Post by brobear on May 11, 2020 13:02:19 GMT -5
Ursus Kanivetz or Ursus Ingressus was the largest ( according to found fossils ) cave bear. Agriotherium africanum was the largest agriotherium.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 11, 2020 13:34:04 GMT -5
Ok, as we already know, the larger bear would always win more often than not. So the fight should be at same weight. We know Africanum had the strongest bite force of any bear in history. We know that the cave bear was the most "bearish" of all bears in history. The cave bear was more bulky and all around better built and most likely more powerful. Am going with the cave bear 6/7 out of 10 times.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 11, 2020 15:56:24 GMT -5
The largest cave bear being the most bulky and the better grappler will win.
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