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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 23, 2020 22:34:58 GMT -5
Here, read:
When standing on its hind legs, the angustidens measured about as tall as the largest modern bears, but its true power lay in the robust construction of its body. Heavily muscled and far stouter than today’s bears, the angustidens was a predator unlike any other. It often challenged the other apex predators of its day, such as saber-toothed cats, and won.
domainofthebears.proboards.com/post/2171/thread
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 24, 2020 2:49:26 GMT -5
OldGreenGrolar : I have a video of my own mate. Minute 29:25, Paleontologist stating how a short faced bear (Arctodus Simus), which is a little smaller than Arctotherium, would had displaced even 3 saber toothed cats from their kill. Minute 30:26 quote "the experts agree on the eventual outcome of this fight, if the bear got a good swipe and debilitated one of the saber toothed cats, they would retreat" minute 30:42 quote "the bear would kick the cat's butt"
Go quote the post you showed and post that at Carnivora mate. And post my exact paragraph above also so he knows where to look.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 24, 2020 6:54:26 GMT -5
Reply 84. I have already posted the video.
30:23-27 Most animals will not fight to the death (confirms wild animals will not fight to death like game roosters). These researchers believe a short faced bear can chase off three sabre toothed cats although I have no doubt if these cats corporate they would win.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 24, 2020 7:02:20 GMT -5
That's awesome mate. Great. That kid has been completely refuted. He really thinks a cat will defeat a bear with an 1000 lb weight advange, holy smokes, ha ha ha ha.
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Post by brobear on Dec 24, 2020 8:55:56 GMT -5
The idea of Smilodon being a "group hunter" or "social" is merely a theory believed by some experts and not by others. ( IMO ) this ambush predator was most likely a loner.
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Post by kesagake on Dec 24, 2020 9:03:30 GMT -5
Agriotherium kills any Big Cats in 1 bite.
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Post by brobear on Jan 2, 2021 14:21:24 GMT -5
Agriotherium africanum vs Smilodon populator ( biggest of the big cats ).
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Post by kesagake on Jan 3, 2021 11:46:19 GMT -5
Agriotherium africanum vs Smilodon populator ( biggest of the big cats ). Smilodon is the Biggest Big Cat? Really? Isn't American Lion larger? Can someone send me a proof?
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 3, 2021 11:56:58 GMT -5
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Post by nocapakabl on Jan 3, 2021 13:47:54 GMT -5
American lion was actually 267 kg on average. it did weigh less the smilodon populator but was both longer and taller
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Post by brobear on Jan 4, 2021 3:36:30 GMT -5
Quote: American lion was actually 267 kg on average. it did weigh less the smilodon populator but was both longer and taller. Exactly. The Machairodontinae were, for the most apart, more robust than the Pantherines. Simply heavier at equal length.
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Post by kesagake on Jan 4, 2021 4:27:52 GMT -5
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Post by tom on Jan 4, 2021 16:06:56 GMT -5
Could you throw Ngandong Tiger in there with the biggest of the prehistoric cats? prehistoric-fauna.com/Ngandong-tiger#:~:text=Size%3A%202.3%20m%20in%20length,%2D%20350%2B%20kg%20of%20weight. Ngandong Tiger (Panthera tigris soloensis) Ngandong tiger (Panthera tigris soloensis Von Koenigswald,1933) Order: Carnivora Family: Felidae Time period: first half of the late Pleistocene of Southeast Asia (195.000 years ago) Size: 2.3 m in length, 120 cm in height, 250 - 350+ kg of weight. Or 551 - 771 lbs with a median of 661 lbs. As with populator you probably had freaks that went to 400+ kg as well.
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Post by brobear on Jan 4, 2021 16:46:41 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 4, 2021 17:23:48 GMT -5
Reply #94: Guate's Ngandong tiger chart
Weight range 143-368, taking the median into consideration, we get a 255 kg average (562 lbs)
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Post by tom on Jan 4, 2021 17:40:12 GMT -5
143 kg seems a bit on the low side to me for such a large prehistoric cat. That's only 315 lbs and smaller than extant Tigers of today. Likely a small female. 250- 360 seems like a more realistic range. Notice it also states up to 400kg for freaks.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Jan 4, 2021 17:50:22 GMT -5
Note that 143-368kg is a general range based on female and male specimens.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 4, 2021 17:58:15 GMT -5
From reply #92:
Problem with that 661 lbs average is that it is known that Smilodon Populator was larger on average. And the populator averaged 639 lbs.
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Post by tom on Jan 4, 2021 18:13:15 GMT -5
My guess is the estimate for Populator is light and probably averaged closer to 661 - 700 lbs. Without enough remains to piece together a realistic average (male and female combined) estimates are just that estimates. However, I do think there is enough to establish that Populator was the largest Felid to have ever lived. domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/925/size-comparisons-grand-arena?page=35&scrollTo=46980Kodiak, check reply #694 & 698 from the link above. Not sure if you have gone to the link on 694 or not, but very informative.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 4, 2021 18:19:37 GMT -5
tom 639 lbs does not seem light to me. In fact, that is a huge figure for a feline, even if that feline is prehistoric. But yes, that range is based on both males and females, so who knows.
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