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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 15, 2020 20:44:31 GMT -5
Reply 59. Regarding nothing standing in the labor’s way, it obviously doesn’t include the Agrioterium.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 15, 2020 20:46:26 GMT -5
I believe there is a source which says nothing will stand in a tiger’s way too: yet elephant tuskers and rhinos are too much for them.
And male Ussuri brown bears also drive off Siberian tigers from 35% of their kills.
Some sources are just not detailed.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 15, 2020 20:48:49 GMT -5
@assasin, your feedback will be greatly welcomed 😊.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 6:56:11 GMT -5
Mauricio Anton clearly stated the reasons for the amphimachairodus dominating other predator "A close relative of Machairodus, Amphimachairodus took the adaptations of its older cousin one step further, not only by developing longer, more flattened and more coarsely serrated upper canines, but also by refining the adaptations of its skull, mandible and neck for a super-efficient kind of killing bite."It had a super efficient killing bite which meant one bite would have killed most carnivores. chasingsabretooths.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/dont-mess-with-amphimachairodus-sabertooth-king-of-the-turolian/
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Post by brobear on Dec 16, 2020 7:06:48 GMT -5
Amphimachairodus had canines long enough to bite into the back of the neck, at the base of the skull, and kill Agriotherium in an ambush attack. However, with such a multitude of prey choices among the herbivores that the Pleistocene provided, attacking a huge bear is an extremely unlikely choice. In a face-off over a carcass, if this big cat stands his ground, I would definitely wager on the bear.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 16, 2020 7:07:19 GMT -5
It won’t be easy to kill a larger opponent that is fighting back.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 7:13:22 GMT -5
The A.kabir agile,it is more likely to get a bite first.One good bite is enough to kill one carnivore so I would wager on the Kabir.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 16, 2020 7:21:33 GMT -5
A smilodon populator is less agile than a tiger and lion yet has stronger forelimbs. The A. Kabir has more slender limbs than an African lion and tiger. Agility is an asset but it is now everything. The Agrioterium might not be as a good grappler as other bears and big cats but it’s limbs are not as stiff as that of bovines.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 16, 2020 8:11:18 GMT -5
Mauricio Anton clearly stated the reasons for the amphimachairodus dominating other predator "A close relative of Machairodus, Amphimachairodus took the adaptations of its older cousin one step further, not only by developing longer, more flattened and more coarsely serrated upper canines, but also by refining the adaptations of its skull, mandible and neck for a super-efficient kind of killing bite."It had a super efficient killing bite which meant one bite would have killed most carnivores. chasingsabretooths.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/dont-mess-with-amphimachairodus-sabertooth-king-of-the-turolian/ How about what professor of zoology and expert on paleontology Stephen Wroe said huh?
"There can be no doubt that this beast had the power to kill almost anything it could get a hold of - it could also have chased any other predators off their kills"
"Any other predators" this means Kabir.
Bite force: well lets see:
"Our analyses show that it had the most powerful bite of any known terrestrial mammal” Dr Stephen Rowe University of New South Wales, Australia The findings were published in the Journal of Zoology."
So obviously my "expert" knows more than your "expert" because my animal weights double or even triple the weight of your animal hence my animal would destroy your animal 80-90% of the time.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 16, 2020 8:21:02 GMT -5
The A.kabir agile,it is more likely to get a bite first.One good bite is enough to kill one carnivore so I would wager on the Kabir. Does not surpise me, lmfao! So you would wager on a carnivore that is less than half the size of another much larger carnivore that has the strongest bite force of any terrestrial mammal. Guess you love to lose money. Kabir wont even ambush this bear, its too large, he would view him as competition. If a fight did happen though...
Africanum 8/9 out of 10 times.
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Post by brobear on Dec 16, 2020 8:31:23 GMT -5
By Dinopithecus: In serious fights, yes, tigers will rarely bite. I’ve only ever seen them bite when the enemy is knocked off balance, while bears will bite while they are still on their hind legs. I’ve shown this many times. Again, bears are only fat during specific times of the year, but overall they are very muscular creatures. *This rule-of-thumb does not only include the tiger. This African saber-toothed cat will not likely bite until the "coups de grâce"... if achieving the chance. *( IMO ) in an ( highly unlikely ) ambush attack: Saber-toothed cat 7 out of 10. / in a face-off: Agriotherium africanum 19 out of 20.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 10:48:35 GMT -5
Tigers are not kabirs,I do not think kabir will grapple something 2 times its size.It is most likely to use its "super efficient killing bite" on the bigger agriotherium africanum.The agriotherium had a stronger bite in terms of pressure,but the kabir had a killing bite so basically both these predators can kill each other with one good bite.The kabir is likely to get that bite due to agility.So I would favour the kabir in an head on fight.
Also the kabir had the specific kind of facial muscle structure which showed domination.Another Reason why Mauricio Anton favoured the kabir.
Quote:My expert is better than yours
No, he is not both are equals period.Actually in here Anton is better,he sees fossils more as a paleoartist and sabertooth expert.He reconstructs them by seeing the skeleton.So your expert has not looked as many fossils as Anton.Here Anton has looked at the fossils and favoured the kabir,he also stated why.
A close relative of Machairodus, Amphimachairodus took the adaptations of its older cousin one step further, not only by developing longer, more flattened and more coarsely serrated upper canines, but also by refining the adaptations of its skull, mandible and neck for a super-efficient kind of killing bite. Fully as large as a lion, Amphimachairodus not only had access to very big prey, but it also was dominant over any other predator in its habitat.
The impressive teeth of Amphimachirodus would give additional intensity to any facial expression. The interplay of the complex facial muscles, for which all cats are notorious, would allow a precise transmission of mood to conspecifics, and why not, to rival species such as the hyaenas. The expression shown in this illustration clearly says “don´t mess with me”!
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 16, 2020 11:07:32 GMT -5
You said it yourself "Sabertooth expert" he does not know crap about bears, lmao. While my expert is a "zoology Professor" which means he knows a more variety of animals.
Your speculation. You have no idea about that.
Its a feline, same crap. They mostly behave the same.
Wow how scary! Well according to my expert, my animal displaced "any other predators" from their kills, this means when Kabir saw Africanum's face the cat would had ran the other way.
Of course you do. You favour a tiger over an elephant and a cheetah over a panda.
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Post by brobear on Dec 16, 2020 11:12:34 GMT -5
Quote: Tigers are not kabirs,I do not think kabir will grapple something 2 times its size.It is most likely to use its "super efficient killing bite" on the bigger agriotherium africanum. *Before the kabirs can bite this gigantic bear, he has to pass through those huge arms and paws. Not likely. A prime male tiger has great difficulty even getting through the defenses of a small female sloth bear. This kabir would be crushed before he can even reach the torso of the bear. Cheetah, you are arguing against a no-win situation. This is no different from lion or tiger vs bull tusker elephant.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 16, 2020 11:18:00 GMT -5
Amen. Add that to the list of your historic phrases.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 11:23:20 GMT -5
I do not see the bear trying to crush the kabir with its forelimbs.I see bear trying to bite the kabir.I see both of them trying to bite and kill each other.In which I think kabir will get a bite more often due to agility.One good bite of africanum can kill kabir and one good bite of kabir can kill africanum.
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Post by brobear on Dec 16, 2020 11:30:16 GMT -5
Let me ask you this cheetah; could your 700-pound kabir defeat a 1700-pound lion? I'm not talking about an obese lion, but a gigantic muscular healthy lion. Of course not. That is what this is about. Two big predators going head-to-head. But one of them has a half-ton weight advantage over the other. *And just one good bite from the strongest jaws of any land-based mammal ever armed with big canines will kill the cat.
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Post by brobear on Dec 16, 2020 12:01:13 GMT -5
Amphimachairodus Skull (Bone Clone) - length of skull 37 cm - wide of skull 20,5 cm - length of upper fang 10,2 cm prehistoric-fauna.com/Machairodus-kabir Amphimachairodus kabir Order: Carnivora Family: Felidae Subfamily: †Machairodontinae Tribe: †Homotherini Time period: late Miocene in Africa Size: 2,4 m in length, 125 cm in height, 150-350 kg of weight. ( top weight: 350 kg = 771.62 pounds ).
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Post by brobear on Dec 16, 2020 12:15:59 GMT -5
This 772-pound cat is right up there with the cave lions and atrox. But Agriotherium weighed up to 600 kg = 600 kilograms is equal to 1,322.77 pounds. Both were predators - meat eaters. The bear - believed by most paleontologists to be primarily a scavenger/kleptoparasite, probably spent more time than the big cat in fights with predators of other species.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 23, 2020 22:09:37 GMT -5
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