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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 15, 2020 16:24:50 GMT -5
I dont see anything really. Lets debunk it yes?
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Post by nocapakabl on Dec 15, 2020 16:32:43 GMT -5
Agriotherium with a small coalition off 3 male lions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 16:34:40 GMT -5
I dont see anything really. Lets debunk it yes? You are free to debunk it,of course.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 16:35:09 GMT -5
Agriotherium with a small coalition off 3 male lions. Nice comparison!
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 15, 2020 16:52:23 GMT -5
Its just a general statement, of course you take it literally, there is absolutely nothing known about the interactions between Amphimachairodus Kabir and Agriotherium Africanum so we can only speculate. Amphimachairodus Kabir weighted between 150-350 kg, 350 kg being its max weight:
prehistoric-fauna.com/Machairodus-kabir
While Agriotherium Africanum reached a weight of 600 kg:
prehistoric-fauna.com/Agriotherium
With some sources stating up to 2000 lbs:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriotherium
So, Africanum was double or even triple the weight of Kabir, and we know from other scientific sources that the largest predators usually dominate the smaller predators in the wild.
And of course, we have sources stating that Africanum used its size to steal the kills of Kabir, so this shows who "dominates" who:
Very large size would have been necessary to steal and defend kills in environments dominated by some of the most powerful carnivorous mammals that have ever lived, such as the sabertooth cat Amphimachairodus, with whom it shared territory in both Afro-Eurasia and North America, and the bone-cracking canid Epicyon and the massive feliform sabertooth Barbourofelis, which it lived alongside in Texas, as evidenced by fossil deposits at Coffee Ranch.[7][8]
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriotherium
Just talks about the range of Kabir thats it.
Just talks about the range of Africanum, thats it.
Sure, we know this.
Sure we know this.
So out of all those sources that you posted, only the first one talks about Kabir being dominant over all the other predators but Africanum was not even named, the rest of the sources just talk about where they ranged.
On the other hand i posted a source specifically stating how Africanum used its size to steal kills from KABIR. so that is more conclusive.
Conclusion: Agriotherium Africanum displaced the much smaller feline at will, most times, the feline would had ran away from the much larger bear. (Basic cat behavior). If he decided to defend its kill, well my friend, Kabir would had been wrecked.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 15, 2020 17:07:56 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 17:10:09 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 17:16:57 GMT -5
See this even I can edit it and change it.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 15, 2020 17:25:29 GMT -5
Wrong. You know why? Because Wiki is never the original source for anything. They just copy everything from other more reliable and scientific sources.
Sure, except the much larger Africanum.
Nope. And i already showed you from Researchgate, the larger carnivore will always dominate the smaller one. Its very simple really.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 17:34:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 17:37:52 GMT -5
@king Kodiak The study on the small carnivore big carnivore is too generic and there is a good chance that there exceptions.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 15, 2020 17:38:40 GMT -5
Mauricio Anton is not a "Sabertooth expert" lmao. He is just a peleoartist and illustrator. He does not know anything about the interactions of those animals back from the Miocene and Pleistonce:
Mauricio Antón Ortuzar (born 1961 in Bilbao, Spain) is a paleoartist and illustrator specialized in the scientific reconstruction of extinct life, well known for his influential paintings of hominids, extinct carnivores and other vertebrate fossil groups.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauricio_Antón
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 17:40:18 GMT -5
Mauricio Anton is not a "Sabertooth expert" lmao. He is just a peleoartist and illustrator. He does not know anything about the interactions of those animals back from the Miocene and Pleistonce:
Mauricio Antón Ortuzar (born 1961 in Bilbao, Spain) is a paleoartist and illustrator specialized in the scientific reconstruction of extinct life, well known for his influential paintings of hominids, extinct carnivores and other vertebrate fossil groups.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauricio_Antón Again anybody can edit wiki,I just edited agriotherium africanum page.Also Anton was a sabertooth expert.He wrote a book on sabertooths.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 15, 2020 17:44:17 GMT -5
Yes you did i saw. But i told you, unreliable things get deleted sooner or later. No one has studied the interactions, no one knows.
Conclusion: the much larger Africanum dominated the much smaller Kabir. Its simple.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 17:47:30 GMT -5
Yes you did i saw. But i told you, unreliable things get deleted sooner or later. No one has studied the interactions, no one knows.
Conclusion: the much larger Africanum dominated the much smaller Kabir. Its simple. Nope,Wikipedia is unreliable I just proved it.Also it is not simple but from estimates from experts The amphimachairodus kabir prevailed.
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Post by tom on Dec 15, 2020 17:47:36 GMT -5
Ok guys I can see this thing is starting lead down the wrong path, so lets take a deep breath and exhale.
Here's a novel question and one I did not attempt to look up. I shutter to ask this but... Did the two even co-inhabit the same territory at the same time?
Is there any evidence other than some proclaimed prehistoric Cat experts educated guess that one dominated or preyed upon the other? Because I can assure you no-one was around to witness any battles.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 15, 2020 17:51:31 GMT -5
Yeah whatever helps you sleep at night. "Proving" something is when you convince someone, you did not convince me so you only "proved" it to yourself, not me. So you think Kabir dominated, thats fine, keep thinking that, i think Africanum dominated, how about that? No one changes no ones mind, its simple. Nothing new in debates.
Oh and you should put what you edited back how it was, i already took a screen shot of your post saying you edit it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 17:52:26 GMT -5
Ok guys I can see this thing is starting lead down the wrong path, so lets take a deep breath and exhale. Here's a novel question and one I did not attempt to look up. Did the two even co-inhabit the same territory at the same time? Is there any evidence other than some proclaimed prehistoric Cat experts educated guess that one dominated or preyed upon the other? Because I can assure you no-one was around to witness any battles. Yes,If you read my post which is the last reply in page 1,you would see that I provided sources to confirm that they did inhabit the same habitat at the same time. "Is there any evidence other than some proclaimed prehistoric Cat experts educated guess that one dominated or preyed upon the other? Because I can assure you no-one was around to witness any battles."
Nope,the best we have is speculations as far as I am aware.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 17:54:32 GMT -5
Yeah whatever helps you sleep at night. "Proving" something is when you convince someone, you did not convince me so you only "proved" it to yourself, not me. So you think Kabir dominated, thats fine, keep thinking that, i think Africanum dominated, how about that? No one changes no ones mind, its simple. Nothing new in debates.
Oh and you should put what you edited back how it was, i already took a screen shot of your post saying you edit it. Okay,I respect your opinion but Mauricio Anton's speculation sounds more convincing to me.I edited the wikipedia page back.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 15, 2020 17:55:57 GMT -5
That is exactly what i told him, lmao. No one can know the interactions of the Miocene-Pleistocene era. The only real thing we can go by is the fact that the larger carnivore will always dominate the smaller one, and that's from Researchgate, one of the most reliable and scientific sites:
domainofthebears.proboards.com/post/45690/thread
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