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Post by brobear on May 4, 2020 12:07:26 GMT -5
Two East African Lions vs Polar Bear
Polar bear vs two lions; I will wager on the bear. Add just one more lion; games over. The lion is the king of beast because he is not a small predator and numbers is a powerful fight-advantage to have. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 14:45:18 GMT -5
I was aware of that for the bear but isn't a 420 lb lion a decent sized lion? A 500 lb lion is pretty powerful. IMO an increase of 80 lbs is not going to change anything significantly to increase the advantages to the Lions. Two Lions at 500 pounds each is still 500 lbs short of our 1500 lb Kodiak Bear. A bear that size has so much raw power that most people can't even fantasize how powerful they really are. In the documentary (forget the name) that had Van and Alice as a dominant male and female coastal Brown bear, there was a scene where Van who tips the scales at roughly 1200 lbs killed a female that was probably an easy 500 lbs within seconds. I mean literally seconds.... I see no reason why a Bear like that could not do the same to a Male Lion in short order as well. The lion's agility and speed would make it harder to be caught by the bear assuming the lion knows the danger. I still think the lion pair's best bet is hit and run tactics rather than attempting to attack the bear all at once. |
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Post by tom on May 4, 2020 15:12:08 GMT -5
Define hit?
Personally, I don't see male Lions as the hit and run type. They're usually pretty bold once they've made the commitment that they want to kill something. I actually believe that anything short of 3 or more Lions, they would not engage a 1500 lb Bear. But the hypotheticals are always interesting to ponder.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 4, 2020 15:55:44 GMT -5
There are accounts of both polar bears and lions killing each other in captivity, of course the polars were sick and weak. So we have weak and sick polar bears killing healthy lions.
Anyways, 2 vs 1 again, my opinion is the same as before with the kodiak. One male lion is no joke let alone 2.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 19:00:50 GMT -5
There are accounts of both polar bears and lions killing each other in captivity, of course the polars were sick and weak. So we have weak and sick polar bears killing healthy lions.
Anyways, 2 vs 1 again, my opinion is the same as before with the kodiak. One male lion is no joke let alone 2. What could one lion do against a bear of this size one on one? 420 lbs vs 1300 lbs. |
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Post by King Kodiak on May 4, 2020 19:09:54 GMT -5
basically Nothing. Not much. But accidents can still happen, a male lion is still no joke.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 5, 2020 3:12:06 GMT -5
There are accounts of both polar bears and lions killing each other in captivity, of course the polars were sick and weak. So we have weak and sick polar bears killing healthy lions.
Anyways, 2 vs 1 again, my opinion is the same as before with the kodiak. One male lion is no joke let alone 2. What could one lion do against a bear of this size one on one? 420 lbs vs 1300 lbs. Polar bears at 800 to 1000 pounds are considered large. |
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Post by brobear on May 5, 2020 4:10:47 GMT -5
The Kodiak or polar bear has this one. Sure, African lions are tough and aggressive. But size and brute strength matters. In this fight, the bear has a massive size advantage, a massive strength advantage, and a massive intelligence advantage. I firmly believe, 2 lions are simply not enough. 3 lions, and the story changes. 
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Post by King Kodiak on May 5, 2020 5:01:23 GMT -5
For a single kodiak bear to be able to kill 2 male lions at once, the bear would need to be able to kill one lion real fast, it can happen, but its not very likely as bears dont kill so fast most times. Assuming the 2 lions are attacking at once, it would be very hard for the bear to defend and attack at the same time. The bear is getting hit hard from both sides, male lions are very ferocious and great head on fighters. This is just the way i see it. In this case, the numbers advantage would prevail at the end. One or both lions would get injured though.
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Post by theundertaker45 on May 5, 2020 5:11:10 GMT -5
"...but its not very likely as bears dont kill so fast most times."
Have you ever seen "The Great Bear Stakeout", King Kodiak? An adult female coastal brown bear gets killed by a big male coastal brown bear in mere seconds. I highly doubt a less durable/robust lion would fare any better against such a brutal onslaught, his whole head literally fits inside the Kodiak's mouth. The Kodiak bear doesn't even need to kill one lion instantly, a few broken bones and the lions' tactics as a team are screwed.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 5, 2020 5:17:10 GMT -5
"...but its not very likely as bears dont kill so fast most times."Have you ever seen "The Great Bear Stakeout", King Kodiak? An adult female coastal brown bear gets killed by a big male coastal brown bear in mere seconds. I highly doubt a lion would fare any better against such a brutal onslaught, his whole head literally fits inside the Kodiak's mouth. |
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Post by King Kodiak on May 5, 2020 5:20:21 GMT -5
But then again this is all speculation. I could be wrong who knows? I also make mistakes. Ha ha ha.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 5, 2020 5:25:28 GMT -5
I think if a male kodiak can kill a lion fast, the next one will be in trouble. Personally, I think a polar bear would kill a male lion faster than a Kodiak bear would. I support a Kodiak bear over a polar bear but the yellowish white bear being more of a hunter will try to kill the fastest way possible.
Again this is my opinion.
Kodiak bear>Polar bear>Male lion.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 5, 2020 5:36:07 GMT -5
I will be very honest with you guys, whoever created this thread is nuts. Like Tom said, lets have some fun with our "speculations", this is fine. But realistically speaking, 2 large male lions vs 1 large kodiak bear, even an 1000+ one, you will just have a dead bear basically every time. 2 large, ferocious male lions intended on killing you is just not good. A lion is not a house cat for gods sake. Lets be real here guys common.
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Post by brobear on May 5, 2020 5:42:15 GMT -5
The mature male grizzly has a huge neck, larger than his head. A tiger always kills a bear with a bite to the back of the neck. Unfortunate for the tiger, he cannot make a quick kill on a big grizzly. Starting with some rather long thick hair, tough skin, a layer of fat, and an extremely thick layer of muscles. The tiger simply cannot make the quick kill that he can on a juvenile bear.
The Kodiak bear could maul one lion to death and then the other. No doubt that he will have some battle scars afterwards.
My guess - 8 out of 10 for the Kodiak or polar bear over the two lions.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 5, 2020 5:50:24 GMT -5
Common really? First of all, that is a tiger, tigers dont know how to fight face to face. Second of all, we are talking about lions, 2 at once, who fight much better than tigers head on, also lions have a head dodging technique to avoid hits.
A tiger is a house cat compared to a lion.
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Post by brobear on May 5, 2020 6:51:07 GMT -5
A lion would probably want to kill a bear in the same fashion as a tiger does; a bite to the back of the neck. The lion's jaws are no stronger than those of the tiger; plus his canine teeth are shorter. And one lion goes face-to-face against the bear, this is the first lion to die.
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Post by tom on May 5, 2020 6:58:35 GMT -5
For a single kodiak bear to be able to kill 2 male lions at once, the bear would need to be able to kill one lion real fast, it can happen, but its not very likely as bears dont kill so fast most times. Assuming the 2 lions are attacking at once, it would be very hard for the bear to defend and attack at the same time. The bear is getting hit hard from both sides, male lions are very ferocious and great head on fighters. This is just the way i see it. In this case, the numbers advantage would prevail at the end. One or both lions would get injured though. What do you mean Bears don't kill very fast. I just previously stated in past post of a documentary that a 1000 lb. + Coastal bear named Van dispatched a 500 Ib. female in literally seconds!! I'm not kiddin, seconds. I'm betting that 500 lb. female would be a tougher out than a Lion. Don't tell me Bears can't or don't always kill fast. |
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Post by brobear on May 5, 2020 7:03:25 GMT -5
For a single kodiak bear to be able to kill 2 male lions at once, the bear would need to be able to kill one lion real fast, it can happen, but its not very likely as bears dont kill so fast most times. Assuming the 2 lions are attacking at once, it would be very hard for the bear to defend and attack at the same time. The bear is getting hit hard from both sides, male lions are very ferocious and great head on fighters. This is just the way i see it. In this case, the numbers advantage would prevail at the end. One or both lions would get injured though. What do you mean Bears don't kill very fast. I just previously stated in past post of a documentary that a 1000 lb. + Coastal bear named Van dispatched a 500 Ib. female in literally seconds!! I'm not kiddin, seconds. Don't tell me Bears can't or don't always kill fast. Exactly. And like my previous post says: In fact, that 500-pound female grizzly is a thicker-tougher built animal than a lankier lion of the same weight. The 500-pound bear is in a more compact package. The lion should actually be easier to make a quick-kill of ( IMHO ). *It is the lion who will discover it impossible to make a quick kill. |
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Post by King Kodiak on May 5, 2020 7:03:44 GMT -5
Thats just one event though, does not happen like that most times. Its the other way around, big cats kill fast, bears take their time. Also, killing 1 female bear fast is no way the same as killing 2 large male lions that are attacking the bear at the same time. That is uncomparable.
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