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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 20:41:17 GMT -5
Three lions are too much. Sorry i want to say one lion vs one bear
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 5, 2021 20:55:59 GMT -5
@valter No bro, see this map of balkan states. Macedonia is separate from Greece.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 21:02:08 GMT -5
@valter No bro, see this map of balkan states. Macedonia is separate from Greece. View AttachmentThere are two Macedonias, Northern Macedonia (country) and Macedonia (Greek province where Alexander came from)
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 5, 2021 21:06:44 GMT -5
@valter No bro, see this map of balkan states. Macedonia is separate from Greece. View AttachmentThere are two Macedonias, Northern Macedonia (country) and Macedonia (Greek province where Alexander came from) Could you show me any picture or something so i could ubderstan esily.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 21:08:46 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 5, 2021 21:09:57 GMT -5
I was wrong and you were right. Thanks bro for correction.
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Post by brobear on Aug 5, 2021 4:25:08 GMT -5
As for lion vs brown bear, While I realize that there are minute intricate differences in these two big cats physically ( lion and tiger ) as well as slight differences in their fighting styles, I can't see that there would really be any difference in a lion vs brown bear fight and a tiger vs brown bear fight. Also, even if these animals all lived within one great single landmass ( IMO ) fights ( adult male vs adult male ) would be extremely rare.
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Post by brobear on Aug 8, 2021 4:13:06 GMT -5
Referring back to Reply #72. Quote: Compared to the African lion, the male Asiatic lion has a relatively short, sparse mane.
Quote: Lions are highly sociable and live in social units called prides. Asiatic prides tend to be smaller than their African counterparts. The largest recorded Asiatic pride included five adult females, but most just have two adult females. Male Asiatic lions do not live in prides. Quote: Otherwise, they live alone or in partnership with another male lion. These partnerships allow male Asiatic lions to control larger territories and more easily scare off rival males. *If the lions mane provides any protection at all, the Asiatic lion has less than his African brothers. *The fact that a pride of lions in Asia means all females with their cubs. A pride consisting of from two to five adult females. Male lions either live and hunt alone or in pairs. All of this information gives me the impression that the life of an Asiatic lion is less harsh than that of his African brothers.
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Post by brobear on Aug 16, 2021 7:33:54 GMT -5
www.quora.com/Do-lions-tigers-and-bears-naturally-coexist-anywhere-on-Earth Do lions, tigers and bears naturally coexist anywhere on Earth? Abdellahie Hreimo, studied at United Arab Emirates University Yes! believe it or not! Long ago mostly they were existing in the same ranges. In Turkey: Brown Bear, Caspian Tiger, Asiatic Lion. In North Africa: The North African Barbary Lion lived with the extinct Atlas Bear. In India: The Asiatic Lion lived with Bengal Tiger, and Sloth Bear. In Eastern Europe and Russia: Cave Lions, Asiatic Lions, Brown Bears and other Bears, Amur Tigers and Caspian Tigers. In North America Long Ago: North American Lion, Short Faced Bear, and Other Big cats but not likely Tigers. Mostly it was in India and Eastern Europe and Asia where they truly co-existed. The evidences: Long ago Lions where all over the world with a main 4 species: 1- North American Lion: Panthera Leo Atrox: Extinct. 2- European-Eurasian Cave Lion: Panthera Leo Spelaea: Extinct. 3- Asiatic Lion: Panthera Leo Persica: Alive. 4- African Lion: Panthera Leo Leo: Alive. Tigers in Eastern Asia: “Caspian Tiger” Panthera Tigris. Bears in Eastern Asia and India: “Brown Bear” “Sloth Bear” Other than man-made Zoos and Sanctuaries in North and South Americas and elsewhere, long ago the Earth teemed with life on a scale not imaginable to people nowadays, because human-race obliterated nature and is responsible by its hunting and destruction of habitat for the extinction of so many species, sadly.
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Post by brobear on Aug 16, 2021 7:38:13 GMT -5
Reply #268 continued: Joseph Byrnes, Outdoor-loving liberal that can handle a fair amount of politics At one time, yes. Several hundred years ago you'd find a bengal tiger, asiatic lion, and sloth bear all in the same habitat (central India). Several thousand years ago (10,000 BCE roughly) in Siberia or the eastern mammoth steppe, there were Siberian tigers, Eurasian brown bears, and the extinct cave lions all in the same area, I believe. And, there were asiatic lions and the extinct caspian tiger that would have been found in south Central Asia/parts of the Middle East, but I'm not sure how far south the brown bear population was so that's a maybe. And if your really loose with your definition of tiger and called saber toothed cats (smilodon) saber toothed tigers (which would be incorrect…) then you had those, American lions, and black bears, grizzly bears, AND short faced bears all together in North America (in 10.000 BCE). Amit Kaushik, works at Samsung Mobile Yes they coexisted till about 100 - 150 years ago in central India. Natural habitate of lion is grasslands with population pressure most of the grasslands were converted to farms and also lions were easy to hunt and in colonial times they were almost hunted out except in Gir forest of India where local Raja gave them protected status. As of today tigers are not found in Gir. However in most of the Indian reserve forests sloth bear and tigers coexist I have seen a mother bear with 2 cubs and also a tiger in Ranthambore on same day.
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Post by brobear on Aug 23, 2021 3:42:48 GMT -5
Smilodon Producciones The European Lion is the extinct subspecies that lived on the European continent until historic times, characterized by a short and restricted mane around the neck. It is distinguished from the Lion from Caverns because it was larger and lacked mane, according to depictions of prehistoric rock art. Greek historian Herodotus (484-425 BC) recorded the presence of the European Lion in northern Greece and Aristotle (384-322 B.C.) written that lion hunts were everyday and practiced by both nobles and commoners. The lions killed several of the cargo dromedaries carrying Xerxes (519-465 BC), king of the Persian Empire, in his advance through Macedonia in 480 BC. The European Lion lacked abdominal and side manes, distinguishing him from the Asian Lion (Panthera leo persica), subspecies of which in 2017 survived some 650 wild-state species in the Gir Forest (India) .. According to historic records, Panthera leo Europaea became extinct in the st century of our era, the main cause most likely would have been human action, to be taken into account: the increase in cities in quantity and size, the overseas sport and the Catch for circuses and as "pets". *Question: Second century of our era. When would that be?
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Post by brobear on Aug 23, 2021 5:36:43 GMT -5
Persian Lion Returns to Iran after 80 Years - www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/260794267/persian-lion-returns-to-iran-after-80-years Iran lost its last Asiatic or Persian lion almost 80 years ago, and it became extinct in the country due to indiscriminate hunting and habitat loss, but the lion is now back home. Under a new project, a Persian Lion has been sent from Britains Bristol Zoo to save the rare cat by reproducing it in the country. Born in Britain six years ago on Christmas day, the male lion named Kamran, a son of Kamal, arrived in Tehrans Imam Khomeini Airport on Wednesday night, and was sent to the Tehran Zoo. A Persian lioness will also arrive soon from Ireland to help re-introduce the world's last ranging population of Persian lion to their original habitat. Seyyed Mohammad Reza Parhizkar, the head of Tehran Zoo, says "Our main goal is to try to re-introduce this species firstly to help the generation of this animal and, secondly, to make people acquainted with our country's wildlife." On the return of these lions to Iran, Parhizkar said due to the membership of the Tehran Zoo in the Union of European Zoos (EAZA) these lions are returned under the program of proliferation and maintenance of endangered species. Officials say under this plan, they will strengthen new measures for conservation and recovery of Persian lion with the help of disease management, and other works to ensure a stable lion population in the Islamic Republic. Persian lion has now gone extinct in Iran and there are no confirmed modern records of lion presence in the country. Some say the lions that still live in India are the same lions that once were living in Iran. History reveals that the Persian lion went extinct as a result of the selfishness of foreign occupiers. They used to hunt the Persian lion for fun. The mistakes of the previous Iranian rulers must not be ignored either. In the past, Persian Lions were living in south Iran. They were somewhat smaller than their African descendants, with an obvious belly fold, and shorter mane. Current weather and other physical conditions in Iran seem nice to host these lions.
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Post by brobear on Oct 1, 2021 4:33:26 GMT -5
weather.com/en-IN/india/news/news/2019-08-19-lions-hunt-less-scavenge-more-outside-gir-sanctuary-report?cm_ven=PS_GGL_DSA_09162019_1&par=MK_GGL&tpcc=mktg-search-Google-acquisition&gclid=CjwKCAjw49qKBhAoEiwAHQVTo6FdiDzkc-Vandor7s4dWT3HhRqDUMT9k-VYOsnTIBVB_Z7_AMpOlBoC5LoQAvD_BwE Lions Hunt Less, Scavenge More Outside Gir Sanctuary: Report Dead, weak and sick livestock abandoned outside Gir sanctuary are turning the feared Asiatic lions into scavengers, a new study by the Wildlife Institute of India (WII) reveals. The study, ‘Ecology of Lion in agro-pastoral Gir landscape, Gujarat’, examined the feeding habits of the lions, both inside and outside the forest’s protected areas. And it sheds new light on behavioural differences among lions inside and outside the sanctuary. Inside the protected area, 75% of the lions’ diet comprises wild prey that they hunt themselves. However, as they stray further from the protected areas, hunted prey makes up only 20% of their diet, with livestock comprising 70% (and 10% ‘other’ kinds of food). What’s alarming is that only 20% of the livestock consumed is actually hunted; most of it is scavenged, and comprises dead or dying (and sometimes ill) livestock abandoned by local villagers. About half of Gir’s 700 (estimated) lions live outside the sanctuary area, in Bhavnagar, Amreli, Porbandar and Gir Somnath districts. Despite a ban on disposing animal carcasses near the forest, locals continue to flout the law. The WII team expressed their concern that easy availability of food was dulling the Asiatic lions’ natural instinct to hunt its prey. Cubs are especially vulnerable, since repeated exposure to ‘easy’ food could leave them without this essential life skill. What’s worse is that dogs also prey on dead or dying livestock. Dogs can carry the Canine Distemper Virus, which can be fatal to lions. Last year, 34 Asiatic lions died of illnesses including Canine Distemper Virus (CDV), Babesia, Streptococcal bacteria and Gram negative bacilli infections.
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Post by brobear on Oct 8, 2021 5:39:11 GMT -5
Notice that the title to this topic is; "Lion vs Bear in the Wild" and for a reason. There have been numerous fights between lions and bears recorded in captivity. First thing one must understand is the fact that nearly all of these tales are taken from old newspapers from the 19th century and the early to mid 20th century. Those old newspapers were highly competitive and thrived on sensationalism. Exciting stories sold newspapers. Because of this, none of these old tales - not a single one - can be truthfully considered as factual. Many of these old tales can be found here: shaggygod.proboards.com/board/38/felidae You will find that in these old tales, the bear ( especially the brown bear ) is most commonly portrayed as the winner of these fights. Nevertheless, I reject all of these stories.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 8, 2021 7:14:23 GMT -5
Just wondering what is wrong with old accounts. In a hundred years time, some of the accounts today will become old as well.
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Post by brobear on Oct 8, 2021 7:40:03 GMT -5
Just wondering what is wrong with old accounts. In a hundred years time, some of the accounts today will become old as well. That was explained within my post. Quote; "Those old newspapers were highly competitive and thrived on sensationalism. Exciting stories sold newspapers. Because of this, none of these old tales - not a single one - can be truthfully considered as factual." There are other reasons too. Where there were animal fights, there was most often some gambling. Where money is involved, there is often cheating. There are many devious methods one might use to "fix" a fight. Perhaps some of those fights happened just as they were reported. But, we have no way of knowing which were legit, which were exaggerated, which were fixed, or which never even took place. In fact, there were some animal fights reported which, depending on which news paper you read, had multiple endings ( an impossibility ).
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Post by Montezuma on Oct 9, 2021 19:36:09 GMT -5
Just wondering what is wrong with old accounts. In a hundred years time, some of the accounts today will become old as well. That was explained within my post. Quote; "Those old newspapers were highly competitive and thrived on sensationalism. Exciting stories sold newspapers. Because of this, none of these old tales - not a single one - can be truthfully considered as factual." There are other reasons too. Where there were animal fights, there was most often some gambling. Where money is involved, there is often cheating. There are many devious methods one might use to "fix" a fight. Perhaps some of those fights happened just as they were reported. But, we have no way of knowing which were legit, which were exaggerated, which were fixed, or which never even took place. In fact, there were some animal fights reported which, depending on which news paper you read, had multiple endings ( an impossibility ). Bears killing lions in California and Roman pit fights is confirmed. Which i think is enough to proof.
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Post by brobear on Oct 10, 2021 0:43:03 GMT -5
The fight between the African lion ( Parnell ) and the California grizzly ( Ramadam ) was among those fights which had multiple endings according to what newspaper you read. However, the animal blood-sports of the Circus Games in the Roman arena were not written for sensationalism. According to the ancient Romans ( who, by the way, greatly admired the lion ) the bear always defeated the lion. *Edit and add: the only bears used in the games were the European brown bear and the Atlas bear.
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Post by brobear on Oct 16, 2021 7:28:33 GMT -5
Should the Asiatic lion ever be awarded more wild land to add to their numbers, then it becomes possible for lions to meet sloth bears and ( pictured here ) moon bears.
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Post by brobear on Nov 1, 2021 16:06:07 GMT -5
The Asiatic lion has different habits than his African brothers. A male lion of India either lives and hunts alone or with one partner ( rarely more ). It would be interesting to see which would be the dominant force in a location populated by both - the lion or the bear?
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