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Post by AnimalEnthusiast1789 on Mar 31, 2024 7:55:59 GMT -5
brobear OldGreenGrolar arctozilla It's clear a Foxe Basin Polar Bear is so big for any Tiger it's so unfair. Let me reduce the bear's size to be around half a Foxe Basin Polar Bear's to make it fair, so that will now mean it'll not be one-sided, it'll be a MUCH better fight. Still we can try 290KG Grizzly VS 205KG Tiger. For me the bear still wins 7.4/10. It has an entire 85KG weight advantage. Now while this isn't a mismatch it's not really a very close fight ( or a 50/50 ), it's more like the bear winning with mid - high diff. Still it's not a mismatch, just not a 50/50. However, at similar weights i'd consider it a 50/50, and for a good example we can try 215KG bear VS 205KG Tiger. Now this is a very close fight, and as of right i havent thought much about it. When it comes to Felids VS Ursids at parity my view does change everytime, but i'm sure it's a close 50/50. Even a male polar bear from Svalbard will be too much for any tiger. If we half the weight of a male polar bear from Foxe Basin, we will have a female and in this case, the Siberian tiger will have a much bigger chance. The male Ussuri brown bear has a 7/10 chance to beat a male Amur tiger in my opinion at average weights, 631 pounds vs 430 pounds. However, 30% is a high chance of death and not a total mismatch in my opinion. Weight parity is debatable. Yeah a Svalbard Polar Bear is enough. It's much heavier than any Tiger LOLLLL.
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Post by AnimalEnthusiast1789 on Mar 31, 2024 7:57:46 GMT -5
For me a male Ussuri Brown Bear beats a Siberian Tiger around the same percentage as you think, like 6 - 7/10. 6/10 translates to high diff, and 7/10 translates to mid - high diff.
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Post by AnimalEnthusiast1789 on Mar 31, 2024 7:59:48 GMT -5
OldGreenGrolarAlso, i'm actually having fun talking to a fellow animal enthusiast like you Lol. It's fun af.
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Post by AnimalEnthusiast1789 on Mar 31, 2024 8:12:23 GMT -5
Length wise the Foxe Basin Polar Bear dwarfs the Siberian Tiger. Should height wise too. Plus in terms of weight Foxe Basin Polar Bears average 500 - 600KG. Siberian Tigers are only 180 - 206KG. This fight is a mismatch. Even a Svalbard Polar Bear which averages ~380KG has 174 - 200KG on the Tiger. Let alone a Foxe Basin monster. This fight is an easy win for the bear.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 2, 2024 2:37:45 GMT -5
OldGreenGrolarAlso, i'm actually having fun talking to a fellow animal enthusiast like you Lol. It's fun af. In real life?
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Post by AnimalEnthusiast1789 on Apr 2, 2024 6:41:23 GMT -5
OldGreenGrolar Also, i'm actually having fun talking to a fellow animal enthusiast like you Lol. It's fun af. In real life? Nah i mean on the internet LOL.
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Post by AnimalEnthusiast1789 on Apr 7, 2024 12:25:56 GMT -5
Montezuma brobear OldGreenGrolar Siberian Tigers generally avoid Ussuri Brown Bears, the same bears which average 240 - 286KG / 530 - 631 pounds. Surely, it would sh#t if it saw a Polar Bear LMAO!!!!
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 7, 2024 15:06:25 GMT -5
Montezuma brobear OldGreenGrolar Siberian Tigers generally avoid Ussuri Brown Bears, the same bears which average 240 - 286KG / 530 - 631 pounds. Surely, it would Crap if it saw a Polar Bear LMAO!!!! Basically that's quite natural for the tiger. Cougars avoid brown bears and black bears, leopards avoid sloth bears and black bears, tigers avoid sloth bears and sun bears, cave lion avoided cave bears, American lions and sabertooth cats avoided short faced bears, lynx avoid bears; in all these felid-ursid relations, the smaller cat predominantly avoid larger bears so would a tiger avoid a larger brown bear? That's a question of logic and reason. Isn't the tiger like the cougar or leopard a cat? Or isn't the brown bear like black bear or sloth bear a bear? That's obvious.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 8, 2024 6:59:01 GMT -5
Montezuma brobear OldGreenGrolar Siberian Tigers generally avoid Ussuri Brown Bears, the same bears which average 240 - 286KG / 530 - 631 pounds. Surely, it would sh#t if it saw a Polar Bear LMAO!!!! It would avoid the much larger male polar bear.
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Post by AnimalEnthusiast1789 on Apr 8, 2024 12:41:26 GMT -5
Montezuma brobear OldGreenGrolar Siberian Tigers generally avoid Ussuri Brown Bears, the same bears which average 240 - 286KG / 530 - 631 pounds. Surely, it would sh#t if it saw a Polar Bear LMAO!!!! It would avoid the much larger male polar bear. The smallest Polar Bear population is already 380KG on average with the overall average being 454 - 473KG, and a Foxe Basin Polar Bear is 500 - 600KG. This is a mismatch LMAO, not close at all.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 8, 2024 14:14:08 GMT -5
It would avoid the much larger male polar bear. The smallest Polar Bear population is already 380KG on average with the overall average being 454 - 473KG, and a Foxe Basin Polar Bear is 500 - 600KG. This is a mismatch LMAO, not close at all. Let's move on to a different topic . How about posting some virtual comparisons on birds?
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Post by AnimalEnthusiast1789 on Apr 8, 2024 20:30:02 GMT -5
The smallest Polar Bear population is already 380KG on average with the overall average being 454 - 473KG, and a Foxe Basin Polar Bear is 500 - 600KG. This is a mismatch LMAO, not close at all. Let's move on to a different topic . How about posting some virtual comparisons on birds? LOL alright.
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Post by yz on May 2, 2024 9:07:37 GMT -5
Woolly Mammoth VS Megatherium
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Post by AnimalEnthusiast1789 on May 10, 2024 10:04:51 GMT -5
Finally a new comparison; this is certainly one of the best I've done so far with all of the important data included: A Siberian Tiger VS Yellowstone Grizzly Bear is a close fight, but when against a Coastal Grizzly I assure you it's a mismatch. Bears such as Polar Bears, Kodiak Bears, Alaskan Coastal Grizzly Bears, and Hokkaido Ussuri Brown Bears are in a league of their own. They're units a Tiger/Lion wouldn't be a match for. Great job.
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Post by AnimalEnthusiast1789 on May 10, 2024 10:05:29 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I wanna see a Kodiak next to a Coastal Grizzly comparison.
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Post by AnimalEnthusiast1789 on May 10, 2024 10:07:22 GMT -5
Two of the most popular carnivores going at it: A Kruger lion taking on a Yellowstone grizzly.
At equal weights Brown Bear wins 5.5 - 5.8/10.
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Post by AnimalEnthusiast1789 on May 13, 2024 14:19:14 GMT -5
My latest and definitely most accurate version so far. A few points to consider: 1) Difference between length over curves and length in a straight line: in big cats normally around ~5% whereas in brown bears normally 18-20%. This is why over the curves a large bear seems a good deal longer than a big cat but in reality he might actually be a bit shorter. 2) Estimated shoulder heights: Siberian tigers in the Sikhote-Alin were measured from the tip of the shoulder blade to the wrist; the whole pad should normally add around 5cm from what I've read; hence 93cm -> increased to 98cm for the Siberian tiger. For the Ussuri brown bear I used the relation between shoulder height and head-body length over the curves in Yellowstone grizzlies. Hence a length of 212cm will lead me to a shoulder height of 103cm. I know that there is a figure from a hunting magazine indicating an average shoulder height of 115cm for a male Ussuri brown bears, however, when you look at the morphometrics of bears, you'll soon realize that 115cm would be more appropriate for a male bear of 750lbs or upwards. 3) Estimated chest girth: I assume the chest girth of an average Ussuri brown bear to be 144cm; I used a sample of 22 Yellowstone grizzlies and a sample of 5 coastal grizzlies for the calculation. The reason being that it's very likely that body weight/chest girth relations show a different graph at higher weights and including a few really big bears accounts for more reliability then. All in all this looks different from my previous comparison where I scaled the bear to 115cm and the tiger to 100cm; but in this case it should be much more accurate. We must not forget that bears pack more mass per length than big cats and have a typically broader build. While the difference here might not look that significant (we are talking about an average weight difference of almost 70kg); if you looked at them from the front, you'd definitely see the 70kg the tiger is lacking. TheUndertaker45, how many samples you have for Ussuri Brown Bears averaging 250KG? Anyways even though the bear wins, it won't be easy. However, a Polar Bear WILL EASILY win, like low difficulty. But back to the topic, I'd like to see your chart for Ussuri Brown Bears weighing 250KG. If you send it that would be helpful.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Jun 7, 2024 15:51:44 GMT -5
brobearAlso, have a look at reply #1851 on page 93 of this thread. I came across a comparison picture of a male polar bear next to a tundra buggy and it is a legitimate 10ft tall monster. I cropped it next to a female with cubs and he dwarfs her; the size of the bear is insane, has to be a 750kg+ individual at that height.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Jun 7, 2024 15:55:12 GMT -5
AnimalEnthusiast1789Regarding the weight of Ussuri brown bears; I guess 260kg is a good average covering a sample of all age classes. I added up Kucherenko and Seryodkin as those are two reliable samples; fully grown Ussuri brown bears (9y/o+) should achieve a higher average; closer to 300kg I think. There was one fully grown Ussuri brown bear that weighed 363kg in spring condition and he was described as a giant by the scientists who captured him, that's like almost the size of a fully grown Alaska Peninsula brown bear.
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Post by brobear on Jun 7, 2024 16:17:56 GMT -5
Here is the BIG polar bear. See replies 1882 and 1883 above by theundertaker45.
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