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Post by theundertaker45 on Mar 28, 2020 14:00:03 GMT -5
And my final comparison of today: a 255lbs Nepalese sloth bear vs a 165lbs Sri Lankan sloth bear.
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Post by brobear on Mar 28, 2020 14:33:49 GMT -5
Awesome work 'Taker and highly appreciated.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Mar 28, 2020 15:32:40 GMT -5
I currently have two requests open which are Montana black bear/cougar and Ussuri brown bear/Siberian tiger; I'll probably post them tomorrow or on Monday . If you have any requests, just leave them here and I will create the comparisons as soon as possible. What I'll also publish is a comparison of all the eight great bear species, so stay tuned!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 16:05:18 GMT -5
Could you possibly do a polar bear and Kodiak bear comparison?
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Post by theundertaker45 on Mar 28, 2020 17:33:12 GMT -5
Get ready for my best comparison so far; as hardrobin1212 requested a Kodiak bear/polar bear comparison, therefore I decided to compare the two at weight parity. T his is a comparison between an 850lbs coastal grizzly/Kodiak bear and an 850lbs Svalbard polar bear:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 17:44:28 GMT -5
Despite both being the largest bears they have different builds which is fascinating to me, thanks for posting
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Post by brobear on Mar 29, 2020 2:18:23 GMT -5
Quote: And my final comparison of today: a 255lbs Nepalese sloth bear vs a 165lbs Sri Lankan sloth bear. *I hadn't realized such a size difference between these two subspecies.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 29, 2020 7:19:57 GMT -5
Undertaker: i have 2 requests when you have time.
1) 1500 lb brown bear with a 600 lb tiger.
2) Asiatic bull tusker elephant with a 500 Bengal tiger.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Mar 29, 2020 7:25:00 GMT -5
Okay, right now we have the following requests open:
1)Cougar/Montana Black Bear 2)Siberian Tiger/Ussuri Brown Bear 3)1500lbs Brown Bear/600lbs Tiger 4)Asian Elephant/500lbs Bengal Tiger
I hope that I am able to do all of them till the end of the week as I am very busy right now.
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Post by brobear on Mar 29, 2020 7:29:02 GMT -5
Date Registered: Mar 13, 2017 at 1:43pm - I've been here since opening day 3 years ago. Take your time. I want you to enjoy doing what you do. Absolutely no rush.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 29, 2020 7:35:43 GMT -5
Definitely, take your time bro, posting in forums is not that important. We are very glad to have you here. I just wanted to see a comparison at max weights, brown bear and tiger. I also wanted to see a comparison between a 500 lb Bengal and an Asiatic bull tusker elephant next to each other to actually see if the tiger has the slightest chance to kill this brute as some claim. (Lmao).
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Post by theundertaker45 on Mar 29, 2020 7:45:13 GMT -5
These size comparisons are actually a really complicated thing; in order to have the weight difference accurate and the weight-ratio to be correct you have to take into consideration that there unfortunately isn't any opportunity to use a 3D scaling. I have to integrate it into a simple 2D scaling and the tough thing is: if I take the same model, let's say a 500lbs inland grizzly and a 850lbs Kodiak bear and scale it to the weight difference, I would end up with a Kodiak bear being ~6ft tall at the shoulders and that's impossible. Therefore I have to use a proportionally more massive model for the Kodiak bear in order to get realistic proportions, An 850lbs Kodiak could measure anywhere between 110-130cm at the shoulders and it definitely shouldn't go above that. But when everything is done and the proportions are correct, you are extremely happy with your work, I can guarantee.
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Post by tom on Mar 29, 2020 12:20:33 GMT -5
These size comparisons are actually a really complicated thing; in order to have the weight difference accurate and the weight-ratio to be correct you have to take into consideration that there unfortunately isn't any opportunity to use a 3D scaling. I have to integrate it into a simple 2D scaling and the tough thing is: if I take the same model, let's say a 500lbs inland grizzly and a 850lbs Kodiak bear and scale it to the weight difference, I would end up with a Kodiak bear being ~6ft tall at the shoulders and that's impossible. Therefore I have to use a proportionally more massive model for the Kodiak bear in order to get realistic proportions, An 850lbs Kodiak could measure anywhere between 110-130cm at the shoulders and it definitely shouldn't go above that. But when everything is done and the proportions are correct, you are extremely happy with your work, I can guarantee. I'm curious are you using an existing picture and then altering each animal within the picture or are you creating a new picture and including two separate photos to make one? Are you using Photoshop or another software?
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Post by theundertaker45 on Mar 29, 2020 12:42:44 GMT -5
I am working with existing pictures and don't alter anything in them at all; my primary target is to visualize the weight difference between the two and then check if it doesn't blow up the body measurements of the two individuals. Let me explain my philosophy based on the following comparison: a 580lbs Ussuri brown bear and a 480lbs Siberian tiger (like brobear requested).
If you compare a 580lbs Ussuri brown bear with a 480lbs Siberian tiger there is no way you can make an accurate comparison when strictly keeping to the body measurements. It's impossible to find a picture of the two having the same proportions they should theoretically have in their weight studies, it's likely that the average 196cm Ussuri brown bear with a shoulder height of 116cm doesn't even exist in real life, it's just an average value and we all know that in a small sample (in this case it were 10 individuals) it is very unlikely to find an individual with the exact average measurements, it is even more unlikely/impossible to find a picture of a bear fulfilling these stats. Therefore I just target the weight difference in a two dimensional way by focusing on their bodies in the picture and adjusting them to the weight-ratio they would have (of course there also the width of the body but that can't be seen in the picture so I have to improvize); in this case it would be 1.208:1 in favour of the bear. Then I need to do a lot of guesswork on different models (it wasn't easy as I only have four models of Ussuri brown bears and over thirty of Siberian tigers) in order to find two individuals that visualize the weight difference as good as possible and are very close to the real life proportions. I can't use a lean model for a 580lbs brown bear as it would blow up the roof with a shoulder height of more than 150cm. On the other hand I can't use a massive Siberian tiger as he would be extremely small in frame and practically get dwarfed. The difference in frame between the two at these weights needs to be accurate, the bear needs to be close in length compared to the tiger and stand a solid bit taller at the shoulders. In my comparison the two have a different posture but one would realize that the bear is taller at the shoulders and would be roughly as long as the tiger when fully straightened out. There are thousands of options how to visualize a 100lbs weight difference between a brown bear and a tiger, however, they have to be realistic in order to make sense (by using real life pictures, the same species/subspecies, not altering the proportions of the picture, keeping to the limits of nature, taking into account that frame and mass aren't linear) and it took me about 90 minutes to achieve the previously addressed accuracy in the comparison below. I hope you enjoy it, my friends!
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Post by tom on Mar 29, 2020 12:48:17 GMT -5
We'll I know brobear will appreciate it. Thanks for doing this.
I would think if someone was well versed in Photoshop this could be achieved as well.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Mar 29, 2020 12:51:55 GMT -5
Photoshop would make it so much easier for me but I unfortunately don't have access to it. I am currently using Paint 3D; do you know any free software I could use?
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 29, 2020 15:13:41 GMT -5
Reply #307, very nice comparison Undertaker. An 100 lb weight difference is not that much in my opinion. This is why when i talk of brown bears defeating tigers/lions alot more often than not, i always like to talk about it with a 200 lb + weight advantage which is the weight advantage that most large brown bear subspecies adult males have on most adult male tigers/lions at average weights anyways. But awesome thanks.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 29, 2020 15:31:47 GMT -5
Also, i would like to add that i love the colosseum type arena you put your comparisons in because if i was to tranquilize 2 animals like a bear and a tiger, and stage a fight between them, i would definitely put them inside a closed cage or enclousure. In the wild, the tiger would flee from a face to face fight. In my noble opinion, the real, fair, face to face fights take place in captivity, locked in a cage, face to face, nose to nose, nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, until death.
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Post by tom on Mar 29, 2020 15:51:21 GMT -5
Photoshop would make it so much easier for me but I unfortunately don't have access to it. I am currently using Paint 3D; do you know any free software I could use? This supposidly is a free alternative to Photoshop I just found called GIMP. No experience though. Have a look. www.gimp.org/
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Post by theundertaker45 on Mar 29, 2020 16:21:51 GMT -5
Thank you very much, tom, it is very useful for scaling down models that are too massive/sclaing up models that are too lean; that helps me a lot.
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