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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 10, 2020 4:22:44 GMT -5
How would a grizzly bear do against a sea lion? I think it will have a much better chance than an American black bear.
Barren ground grizzlies have actually learned to hunt seals.
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Post by brobear on Dec 10, 2020 4:31:53 GMT -5
How would a grizzly bear do against a sea lion? I think it will have a much better chance than an American black bear. Barren ground grizzlies have actually learned to hunt seals. Polar bear or any of the big coastal brown bears would murder a Steller sea lion ( IMO ). Just how big would a grizzly have to be to kill a 2,500-pound Steller sea lion? It's all guesswork -( IMO )- an 800-pound grizzly could kill the biggest Steer sea lion. How much lower can we go ( bear's weight ) I have no idea. ?
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 10, 2020 4:34:17 GMT -5
/\ I doubt a brown bear can kill a huge Steller’s sea lion if the weight range is too small. My guess, any bear below 800 pounds in my opinion would not be able to kill a male sea lion.
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Post by brobear on Dec 19, 2020 4:09:20 GMT -5
www.bearconservation.org.uk/california-grizzly-bear-extinct/ Scientific name: Ursus arctos californicus (Merriam, 1896 Description: A large bear, said to have been similar to the coastal grizzlies of Alaska. The skull was long and narrow with a massive underjaw. Pelage typically, but not exclusively, brownish yellow (hence the alternative common name “California golden bear”). Range: Believed to have originally occupied all but the southeast and extreme northeast of what is present-day California. Increasingly became confined to the mountain regions away from the presence of humans. Habitat: Open meadows, forests, sub-alpine mountain regions, tundra and coastal regions. They would have travelled to areas where food was abundant according to seasonal variations. Life span: Probably twenty to thirty years in the wild. Food: The bears were omnivorous with a diet that included grasses, seeds, berries, roots, nuts, acorns, small and large mammals including elk and deer, fish and carrion including beached whale carcasses. Behaviour: The bears reached sexual maturity between the ages of four and seven years. Mating occurred between mid-June and July. The bears went into winter dens usually in October or November and typically emerged in April or May. Cubs were born in the den most likely in January. Litters were probably between one and four cubs, most commonly of two or three. They remained with the mother for two to three years during which time she would not become pregnant again. Except for mating and for mothers with cubs, California grizzlies were solitary but probably congregated in groups where there are plentiful sources of food, such as at salmon spawning grounds and whale carcasses. Reasons for extinction: As the human population of California increased conflicts between bears and humans escalated with the bears killing livestock and attacking settlers. The bears were hunted and killed for sport but also captured and used in bear and bull fights. The last hunted California grizzly bear was shot in Tulare County in August 1922 and the last reported sighting was in 1924 in Sequoia National Park.
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Post by brobear on Dec 19, 2020 4:09:32 GMT -5
MORE INFORMATION California Grizzly by Tracy I Storer & Lloyd P Tevis, Jr. (California, 1996). First published in 1955 this book remains as relevant as ever. Arguably the definitive account of the California grizzly bear. Check out this Google map and click on the markers for more on the history of brown bears in California. Page updated 16 December 2020
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Post by brobear on Dec 19, 2020 5:08:49 GMT -5
www.calacademy.org/explore-science/monarch-the-grizzly-bear Monarch—a beloved piece of Academy history—was one of the last Ursus arctos californicus, a now-extinct grizzly bear subspecies. His role in California history began as an 1889 publicity stunt, when he was captured in Ventura County by order of newspaper magnate William Randolph Hearst. Named for a Hearst newspaper tagline (“Monarch of the Dailies”), the 1,100-pound bear’s life from then on was not a happy one. He spent his remaining 22 years in captivity—on display for thousands of Californians in Woodward Gardens, Golden Gate Park, and the San Francisco Zoo—while the remaining California grizzlies were being hunted to extinction. Joseph Grinnell, director and cofounder of the University of California’s Museum of Vertebrate Zoology, was among those who saw Monarch during those years. After the bear’s death in 1911, Grinnell acquired Monarch’s remains for research and documentation, later donating the mounted specimen to the Academy. Monarch was last seen on public display from 2010 to 2012 as part of Altered State: Climate and Change—an exhibit that explored, among other things, the role humans have played in the current mass extinction. *We can't say for certain that Monarch was actually weighed or if his weight was estimated. But, even if this is an estimation, he was obviously a huge bear to be claimed to have a weight of 1,100 pounds. The California grizzly is said to have been the equal to the coastal brown bears of Alaska.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 19, 2020 7:02:01 GMT -5
Reply 19: I believe that if people left these Californian grizzlies alone, they would still be alive today. This bear fears almost nothing and might be among the most aggressive land carnivores.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 19, 2020 7:04:17 GMT -5
Reply 138: This bear is at least as heavy as an average male polar bear.
Monarch should have spent his years free in the wild not caged up.
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Post by brobear on May 19, 2021 8:54:07 GMT -5
Notorious Grizzly Bears - 1960 - Grizzly Bears of California. California Grizzlies. The grizzly bear was mentioned in California history from the time the first Spaniards invaded the territory. Although there are many recordings of their livestock destruction, only a few stories go into any detail. The California grizzly was the largest and most ferocious of the species, and there are many accounts telling how they mauled, and in many incidents, killed Indians, explorers, vaqueros, trappers, '49ers, and settlers that followed them. Despite their long history in the state, there are only a few records in which they attacked man without cause. Usually one will find the great bears were first deliberately set upon by those attacked, injured, or killed. Quote: "The California grizzly was the largest and most ferocious of the species..."
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Post by brobear on Jun 25, 2021 18:55:48 GMT -5
I comment just a bit what I think about Californian grizzly. They have been described to have been quite big. In my thoughts I put them somewhere in between Kodiak bears and interior brown bears like Yellowstone grizzlies. They weren´t hibernating, so they didn´t need as much fat as for instance Kodiak bears and that´s why I don´t think that they could reach similar weights. But I have understood, that 1000 lbs might have been something what they have been relatively often. Which is something like a bit over 450 kg. So I would assume that weight range in between 350-450 kg has been quite realistic for those bears and occasionally for sure exceeding 500 kg. Which is, when thinking about it really, a huge bear when fat layer is not so big factor as for bears more up north. I have understood, that Kodiak bears were considered as "giants" also back then, when there still were grizzlies in California. I can be wrong, but this is my image what comes to Californian grizzly. Grizzly Adams stated that his bear 'Samson' had been weighed in at 1500 pounds. Truth or exaggeration? *350 kg ( 772 lbs ) to 450 kg ( 992 lbs ). *500 kg = 1100 pounds.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 25, 2021 19:44:47 GMT -5
/\ I would trust Grizzly Adams more than trophy hunters who exaggerate the weight of the animals they hunted.
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Post by brobear on Jun 25, 2021 19:54:11 GMT -5
/\ I would trust Grizzly Adams more than trophy hunters who exaggerate the weight of the animals they hunted. Samson lived in captivity for ( I assume ) quite a long time. For Grizzly Adams, he was a money-maker. So, Samson very likely fed well on fatty meats and probably bread, cakes, and other sweets. So yes, he might possibly have reached 1500-pounds.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 25, 2021 19:59:06 GMT -5
/\ I would trust Grizzly Adams more than trophy hunters who exaggerate the weight of the animals they hunted. Samson lived in captivity for ( I assume ) quite a long time. For Grizzly Adams, he was a money-maker. So, Samson very likely fed well on fatty meats and probably bread, cakes, and other sweets. So yes, he might possibly have reached 1500-pounds. I would like to add that Samson has the bone structure to sustain his immense weight as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2021 9:36:41 GMT -5
Samson lived in captivity for ( I assume ) quite a long time. For Grizzly Adams, he was a money-maker. So, Samson very likely fed well on fatty meats and probably bread, cakes, and other sweets. So yes, he might possibly have reached 1500-pounds. I would like to add that Samson has the bone structure to sustain his immense weight as well. Juusto, captive Finnish brown bear has been weighed at 1065 lbs (483 kg), while biggest wild brown bear in Finland ever weighed was 822 lbs (373 kg). Then again I think, that there is comparable statement concerning Kodiak bear (with Samson) that one was 2400 lbs in captivity. brobear you for sure remember it. So if we assume, that these older statements concerning captive Samson and that one Kodiak bear (whatever was his name) are as accurate as case with Juuso, it puts Californian grizzly right in between of "normal" brown bears and Kodiak bears.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2021 15:45:40 GMT -5
brobearDo you have photos of Californian grizzlies to share here? There aren´t too many I think and I didn´t look now older postings if there are some good ones.
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Post by brobear on Jun 27, 2021 2:45:03 GMT -5
brobear Do you have photos of Californian grizzlies to share here? There aren´t too many I think and I didn´t look now older postings if there are some good ones. No, if I ever discover any I will be sure to post them here. Mostly what I have seen has been artwork. I have not read whether or not Monarch was ever actually weighed or his weight simply estimated at 1,100 pounds. Quote: "Grizzly Adams menagerie contained some really large bears. Sampson-1510 lbs, Lady Washington-1000 lbs, and Benjamin Franklin." Adams claimed to have weighed his bears. But, he was a showman ( like P.T. Barnum ) so can we be sure?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 5:15:34 GMT -5
brobear Do you have photos of Californian grizzlies to share here? There aren´t too many I think and I didn´t look now older postings if there are some good ones. No, if I ever discover any I will be sure to post them here. Mostly what I have seen has been artwork. I have not read whether or not Monarch was ever actually weighed or his weight simply estimated at 1,100 pounds. Quote: "Grizzly Adams menagerie contained some really large bears. Sampson-1510 lbs, Lady Washington-1000 lbs, and Benjamin Franklin." Adams claimed to have weighed his bears. But, he was a showman ( like P.T. Barnum ) so can we be sure? I have no trouble with weight of Monarch, he was in captivity a long time, so they have had for sure possibilities to weigh him at some point or at least have a very good estimation. And 1100 lbs is a lot, but not in any way unrealistic. 1500 lbs again is something which can be questioned more, but still if that bear has been overfed and if it has been a really big individual, then for sure it could have been. But can we be sure is a difficult question. I guess that not 100% sure but it doesn´t mean that it would be false information in my opinion. It would be nice to know how tall he was and so on. It would give some hint. Juuso, who has been weighed in reliable way was close to 1100 lbs and despite some information, not particularly tall bear, something like 210-220 cm on his hind feet. Some interior brown bears can be 20-30 cm taller. Btw funny to write in some way, when all the time kg´s, lbs, cm and ft a total mess.
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Post by brobear on Jul 6, 2021 3:19:35 GMT -5
What we know; the California grizzly was the largest brown bear south of the Canadian border; the biggest bear of the lower 48. Both the California grizzly and the grizzlies of the Great Plains were larger than the Rocky Mountain grizzlies. Perhaps those grizzlies of the Great Plains; the old "bison hunters" were similar in size with the Ussuri brown bear. Possibly the Californian some larger. Its all speculation. We do know, however, that the Mexican grizzly was the smallest type of brown bear in the lower 48.
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Post by tom on Jul 6, 2021 12:37:09 GMT -5
It's a shame that they were hunted to extinction. In California amongst other places, the conflicts between man and Bear grew putting the squeeze on Bears which led to the Bears killing livestock and ultimately signaled the start of their demise. IMO Bears specifically Grizzlies more than just about any other mammal (at least in the lower 48) require large tracts of wilderness to flourish. As the population of the United States grew from the 19th into the 20th and 21st Century, the Grizzly Bear numbers have declined due to ever growing population and shrinking wilderness acreage. Today only in National Parks and other protected lands do they still do relatively well in today's society. The Grizzly is the epitome of all things wild. As our wildernesses shrink so goes the Grizzly.
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Post by brobear on Jul 8, 2021 0:44:13 GMT -5
It's a shame that they were hunted to extinction. In California amongst other places, the conflicts between man and Bear grew putting the squeeze on Bears which led to the Bears killing livestock and ultimately signaled the start of their demise. IMO Bears specifically Grizzlies more than just about any other mammal (at least in the lower 48) require large tracts of wilderness to flourish. As the population of the United States grew from the 19th into the 20th and 21st Century, the Grizzly Bear numbers have declined due to ever growing population and shrinking wilderness acreage. Today only in National Parks and other protected lands do they still do relatively well in today's society. The Grizzly is the epitome of all things wild. As our wildernesses shrink so goes the Grizzly. Yes, when the Euro-Americans ventured West with their domesticated livestock, not only the predators, but herbivores too were pushed out. Wolves, cougars, and grizzlies were finding less wild meat. Their only option being sheep, cattle, horses, and other livestock. Well, us humans are not well known for sharing. Although not officially, a war was declared upon all predators. But, the grizzly was singled out above all others. Wolves and cougars were hunted and killed because of the loss of livestock. But, the grizzly was hunted with a greater diligence because he was feared.
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