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Post by brobear on Feb 18, 2021 8:09:39 GMT -5
Joshua Rojas - The mighty Siberian duo, Elasmotherium sibiricum (Thin Plate Beast) and a Saiga antelope. Elasmotherium lived during the Late Pliocene (Piacenzian Age 2.588 MYA) to Late Pleistocene (39,000 years ago) and was named by Gotthelf Fischer von Waldheim in 1808. With four species named, E. sibiricum being type, others are E. caucasicum, E. chaprovicum and E. peii. Wide spread from China, Kazakhstan, Russia, Turkmenistan, Ukraine and Uzbekistan. Classified as Mammalia, Eutheria, Perissodactyla, Ceratomorpha, Rhinocerotoidea, Rhinocerotidae, Elasmotheriinae. The type species E. sibiricum is known to have approached 4.5 meters (15 feet) long and 2 meters (6 feet 7 inches) high at the shoulder. E. caucasicum slightly larger at around 5 meters (16 feet) long and weighing an estimated 4–5 tons. Represented by hundreds of individuals ranging from nearly complete skeletons to partial remains of teeth and jaws. Like other rhinos, Elasmotherium had two premolars and three molars for chewing, and lacked incisors and canines, relying instead on a prehensile lip to strip food. Elasmotherium were euhypsodonts, with large tooth crowns and enamel extending below the gum line, and continuously growing teeth. Elasmotherium is thought to have had a keratinous horn, indicated by a circular dome on the forehead, with a 5 inch (13 cm) deep, furrowed surface, and a circumference of 3 feet (0.91 m). There was likely a large hump of muscle on the back, which is generally thought to have supported a heavy horn. Illustration by Benjamin Langlois. *Probably seldom bothered by the Siberian tiger.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 11:07:55 GMT -5
Looks like tiger killing elephant/rhino can be real, but right now is very suspicious.
I start beliving its real after good study is published about it and adult elephant is listed as prey with reliable records. Not just "tiger has killed adult elephant" like thats not even gonna tell have they even whitnessed such a event or is it again as in sunquist case based on old anecdotal accounts alone. Not saying all of the old accounts are fake And they can actually be real, but they should be taken with grain of salt.
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Post by brobear on Feb 19, 2021 11:50:27 GMT -5
Looks like tiger killing elephant/rhino can be real, but right now is very suspicious. I start beliving its real after good study is published about it and adult elephant is listed as prey with reliable records. Not just "tiger has killed adult elephant" like thats not even gonna tell have they even whitnessed such a event or is it again as in sunquist case based on old anecdotal accounts alone. Not saying all of the old accounts are fake And they can actually be real, but they should be taken with grain of salt. Or like this account: W.J. Jankowski (in Mazak, 1983) shot a very large (11.6 'over curves' and about 300 kg.) male tiger in Heilongjiang (north-eastern China) in July 1943. Very close to the tiger, Jankowski found the remains (head and paws) of a 'very large' male brown bear which had been killed and eaten by the tiger some days before he was shot (unpublished letter, dated May 8, 1970). This report, however, was never mentioned by researchers and both Jankowski and Mazak, apart from a photograph of the tiger and the letter mentioned, did not provide crucial details on the bear. Too detailed to dismiss and too meagre to accept, one could conclude. *Facts: WJ. Jankowski shot a very large tiger. The tiger may have been feeding on an old carcass of a large male brown bear ( only head and paws remaining ). W.J. Jankowski claimed that the tiger had killed the bear - evidence nothing more that a head and paws.
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Post by kesagake on Feb 20, 2021 12:10:54 GMT -5
Looks like tiger killing elephant/rhino can be real, but right now is very suspicious. I start beliving its real after good study is published about it and adult elephant is listed as prey with reliable records. Not just "tiger has killed adult elephant" like thats not even gonna tell have they even whitnessed such a event or is it again as in sunquist case based on old anecdotal accounts alone. Not saying all of the old accounts are fake And they can actually be real, but they should be taken with grain of salt. Or like this account: W.J. Jankowski (in Mazak, 1983) shot a very large (11.6 'over curves' and about 300 kg.) male tiger in Heilongjiang (north-eastern China) in July 1943. Very close to the tiger, Jankowski found the remains (head and paws) of a 'very large' male brown bear which had been killed and eaten by the tiger some days before he was shot (unpublished letter, dated May 8, 1970). This report, however, was never mentioned by researchers and both Jankowski and Mazak, apart from a photograph of the tiger and the letter mentioned, did not provide crucial details on the bear. Too detailed to dismiss and too meagre to accept, one could conclude. *Facts: WJ. Jankowski shot a very large tiger. The tiger may have been feeding on an old carcass of a large male brown bear ( only head and paws remaining ). W.J. Jankowski claimed that the tiger had killed the bear - evidence nothing more that a head and paws. Proof?
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 20, 2021 14:37:29 GMT -5
Read what Peter said:
"This report, however, was never mentioned by researchers and both Jankowski and Mazak, apart from a photograph of the tiger and the letter mentioned, did not provide crucial details on the bear. Too detailed to dismiss and too meagre to accept, one could conclude. "
This report was not accepted by the rest of the scientific community, not enough proof a tiger killed it, hence unconfirmed.
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Post by brobear on Feb 20, 2021 16:28:42 GMT -5
*Plus the fact that only after WJ. Jankowski had shot the tiger ( according to his own words ) he discovered the meager remains of a large male brown bear. Jamkowski simply assumed that the tiger had killed the bear - meaningless.
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Post by kesagake on Feb 21, 2021 8:39:43 GMT -5
Read what Peter said:
"This report, however, was never mentioned by researchers and both Jankowski and Mazak, apart from a photograph of the tiger and the letter mentioned, did not provide crucial details on the bear. Too detailed to dismiss and too meagre to accept, one could conclude. "
This report was not accepted by the rest of the scientific community, not enough proof a tiger killed it, hence unconfirmed. Thanks but Pig Pork Lord says that he's far from being an expert and that he's just a poster. I really despises it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 11:00:56 GMT -5
Read what Peter said:
"This report, however, was never mentioned by researchers and both Jankowski and Mazak, apart from a photograph of the tiger and the letter mentioned, did not provide crucial details on the bear. Too detailed to dismiss and too meagre to accept, one could conclude. "
This report was not accepted by the rest of the scientific community, not enough proof a tiger killed it, hence unconfirmed. Thanks but Pig Pork Lord says that he's far from being an expert and that he's just a poster. I really despises it. Are you superitaly?
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Post by brobear on Feb 21, 2021 14:32:53 GMT -5
superitaly is not a word; at least not in the English language. Super Italy?
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 21, 2021 14:47:14 GMT -5
superitaly is not a word; at least not in the English language. Super Italy? Super Italy is Kesagake's youtube name.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 1, 2021 1:30:46 GMT -5
BLACK RHINO KILLS THE DOMINANT MALE LION OF THE KICHWA PRIDE:At about 22h00 on 16/11/98, we happened upon the dominant male lion of the Kichwa Pride close to the airstrip; he had been mating during the day and was bloated after a big meal. Out of the darkness, a Black Rhino appeared and it was soon encircled by the pride. The well-fed male showed no interest, however, and remained lying down. The sub-adult lions had probably never encountered a rhino before and jumped up at it. This appeared to anger the rhino which snorted and rushed at the nearest lion -the large male. The male tried to get out of the rhino's path but was too slow and the rhino drove its horn into the lion's rump, knocking it backwards. The rhino then simply turned tail and wandered off into the night. The male was bleeding profusely from its wound and clearly, in great pain for it could not rise to walk away with the rest of the pride. We returned to the scene at 6h30 the following morning, to find the lion still alive but breathing very heavily in a pool of blood. Vultures had gathered in the surrounding trees. In a supreme effort, the lion managed to haul itself about 20m to a shady lugga only to die there at about 10h00. Most surprisingly, no vultures or other scavengers came to eat the body of the lion after we left. Follow up visits revealed no maggots and the whole carcass eventually dried out.
www.rhinoresourcecenter.com/index.php?s=1&act=refs&CODE=note_detail&id=1165251858&highlite=
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Post by theundertaker45 on Mar 1, 2021 6:59:14 GMT -5
King KodiakThe father's offspring eventually turned out to be his doom, nature is metal...
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 1, 2021 9:06:14 GMT -5
theundertaker45Yeah, that's true. By the way it says:
That lion was too slow maybe because he was bloated after a big meal.
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Post by tom on Mar 1, 2021 17:03:00 GMT -5
BLACK RHINO KILLS THE DOMINANT MALE LION OF THE KICHWA PRIDE: Most surprisingly, no vultures or other scavengers came to eat the body of the lion after we left. Follow up visits revealed no maggots and the whole carcass eventually dried out.
This is rather odd.
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Post by brobear on Mar 2, 2021 3:15:39 GMT -5
BLACK RHINO KILLS THE DOMINANT MALE LION OF THE KICHWA PRIDE: Most surprisingly, no vultures or other scavengers came to eat the body of the lion after we left. Follow up visits revealed no maggots and the whole carcass eventually dried out.
This is rather odd. I agree. Here lies a mystery.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 2, 2021 10:14:52 GMT -5
brobear tom
I was searching for an answer to this mystery and i just found this on Quora (dont know how reliable this answer is), but maybe OldGreenGrolar can tell us if its reliable or not as he is our expert on birds: it says vultures dont like the taste of carnivores:
Why do vultures eat just about all dead thing but will pass up dead dogs? Body of dead dog remains on roadway till it rots away.
Contrary to popular opinion about vultures— they are actually quite picky.
For one, they prefer fresh meat. (Although they do not always have that option. Sometimes they don’t find carrion until several days after it has died.)
Second, they prefer herbivore meat. This is squirrel, deer, etc. They do not like the taste of carnivores and will only eat them if no other tasty choices are around. Dogs, cats, etc are thus last choice to vultures.
www.quora.com/Why-do-vultures-eat-just-about-all-dead-thing-but-will-pass-up-dead-dogs-Body-of-dead-dog-remains-on-roadway-till-it-rots-away
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Post by tom on Mar 2, 2021 16:39:36 GMT -5
It's not just the vultures but any other scavenger on the plains. It's a free meal... When maggots won't touch it that's the biggest mystery of them all.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Mar 2, 2021 20:03:32 GMT -5
Reply. 495. Vultures actually prefer fresh carcasses as most of their beaks are too weak to tear fresh hide (with the exception of the Lappet faced vulture of Africa and the Eurasian Black Vulture of Europe and Asia as well as the red headed vulture from India).
Among all vultures, the white headed vulture is the best hunter and hunts the most life prey.
Even though vultures eat prefer fresh meat, they are capable of eating rotting carcasses which the griffons and white back vultures do if there is no animal powerful enough to tear through the thick fresh hide.
Why do vultures prefer herbivores: I guess it is the flow of nutrients from bottom (plants) to middle (plant eaters) to top (predators), a bit like a pyramid system. Predators obtain nutrients from plants by killing herbivores. Yet we know a lot of herbivores will win in a face to face fight.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Mar 2, 2021 20:04:00 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 2, 2021 22:21:49 GMT -5
Nice report Green. So this was true then, that is why they did not touch that lion killed by the rhino.
I also like this:
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