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Post by yz on May 8, 2022 6:04:09 GMT -5
From a tiger fan: books.google.co.uk/boo...n%20these%20encounters&f=falseNotice the key word here : usually Usually isn't the same as always and this means that on rare occasions, a sloth bear can defeat a tiger and it's quite extraordinary especially when you factor in the fact that tigers dwarf the sloth bears. Despite this huge gap in size, the bear can sometimes defeat a tiger. Imagine if the sloth bear becomes just as big as the cat ?
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Post by brobear on May 8, 2022 7:21:28 GMT -5
Quote: They are also voracious fruit-eaters, but sometimes feed on carrion and have been known to chase tigers off kills - although it must be admitted that the tiger usually comes off better in these encounters. *My take on this: As a kleptoparasite, a sloth bear will sometimes displace a tiger. If a fight occurs, the tiger usually wins. This means that the tiger keeps the carcass in most cases. Sometimes, less often, the bear wins the carcass. There is likely less often a kill on either side than for one or the other to be killed in these confrontations. -Just my opinion. When a tiger is stalking a sloth bear as potential prey, but is discovered by the tiger before an ambush can be executed, the bear has two choices; stand his ground or flee. If the bear chooses to run, in most cases, the tiger catches the bear and kills him. But, if the bear stands his ground, in most cases, the tiger will eventually walk away. When the tiger catches and kills a bear, the tiger is the victor. Not of a face-off but of a "chase and catch" kill. When the bear stands his ground and the tiger retreats, the bear is the victor - of a face-off. The tiger's objective is to eat the bear. The bear's objective is to survive a confrontation with a tiger. Clearly, the tiger loses. Also note, I agree that no way on Earth is a tiger going to willingly fight a bear of his own size or bigger.
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Post by Montezuma on May 28, 2022 23:24:14 GMT -5
Here is the summary on sloth bear vs tiger:-
1#. Tigers, generally, do not hunt sloth bears. (Richard lydekker, Panna and Chitral NP tiger's diet chart, Tej Kumar)
2#. Tigers mostly avoid face-to-face confrontations with Sloth bears. (Altre edizioni, Francis leukel)
3#. Sloth bears do not fear tigers abd tigers do not change their behaviour. Both do not have predator-prey relations. Tigers do not dominate and these bears roam without any tension. (Thapar, Garshiells, Yoganand)
4#. Tigers always kill by ambush and in face on fights, tigers normally flee rather than fighing the aggressive bears as bears can injury them seriously. (Adele conover, Joshi, accounts)
5#. There are many cases of Sloth bears defeating tigers in face-to-face, head-on fight, including sometimes multiple tigers and adult males like Genghis, Khali and Matkasur. (Accounts from experts and many videis from Youtube)
6#. There is one unconfirmed case of mature male tiger killed by Sloth bear. (Bareilly)
7#. Sloth bears very rarely have been known to drive away tigers from their kills. (Valmik Thapar)
8#. In fights, between sloth bears and tigers, the match is often draw. (Yoganand)
9#. In most sloth bear vs tiger fights, the large-hearted fighter bear has the upper hand. (Singinawa Jungle Lodge Reservation)
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2022 10:56:15 GMT -5
Credit goes to Pckts ( no sources revealed ) Pilibhit Tiger with its Sloth Bear kill
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2022 11:02:07 GMT -5
*About above post; could have been one of the rare cases of the male tiger facing a sloth bear ( sex unknown ) which stood his ( or her ) ground against the big cat. Perhaps the tiger was attempting to stalk the bear but was found out. Or, perhaps it was a territorial dispute between the two Carnivorans. In either case, according to this, the sloth bear was not defeated easily by the much bigger tiger. There is also the distinct possibility that the tiger ambush and killed the sloth bear. *Bottom Line; Pckts did not reveal his sources. Therefore, this incident cannot be verified.
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2022 11:12:55 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jun 22, 2022 1:31:10 GMT -5
qwaszx! *Fact: We have watched multiple videos of a sloth bear standing his or her ground against a big male tiger. When this happens, in the end, the tiger walks away from the confrontation almost every time. In fact, we have only one case caught on camera of a sloth bear standing his ground against a tiger and the tiger killing the bear. Not only is this the only case caught on video, but ( to my knowledge ) the only case ever recorded. *Tigers are specialist hunters; Ambush predators. Sloth bears are sometimes ambushed and killed by tigers. Also, sometimes, a sloth bear is chased, caught, and killed by a tiger. But, when the bear stands his ground, the tiger will almost always back down. This is a FACT. *Note: I have not discovered any charts of the Bengal tiger's diet, but I would guess that finding bear remains within the droppings of a Bengal tiger is not so common. My guess would be that tigers who hunt and kill bears in India are the minority and not the majority of tigers. *Most tigers, other than Amur tigers, have never tasted bear flesh. In fact, even among the adult male Amur tigers, there are those who have never experienced the flavor of bear flesh.
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Post by brobear on Jun 22, 2022 3:42:22 GMT -5
What do Bengal Tigers Eat – Bengal Tiger Diet zooologist.com/what-do-bengal-tigers-eat/ *The List: 1- Gaur 2- Sambar Deer 3- Chital 4- Takin 5- Serow 6- Barasingha 7- Water buffalo 8- Nilgai 9- Antelope 10- Hog deer 11- Wild boar 12- Grey langurs 13- Muntjac 14- Hares 15- Porcupines 16- Rhesus Monkey 17- Peafowl ( bears not on list )
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Post by brobear on Jun 23, 2022 14:00:18 GMT -5
Brilliantly put from a tiger enthusiast that I have personally butted heads with in the past to a tiger fanboy forever lost within his own delusional fantasies: Quote: "Long story short, you sensationalize the Tiger too much. The Tiger is the Apex predator of it's terrain but the Bear is a serious threat at any point which is why Sloth Bears don't run fast, climb trees, live in herds or sneak about yet they share the same territory with big male Tigers and do so in almost every park that exists regardless of the Tiger population."
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Post by theundertaker45 on Jun 24, 2022 1:06:10 GMT -5
I can tell you from experience; if you just read through actual dietary studies of tigers and have a look at the statements of "biologists" and "experts" in articles/newspapers afterwards, they'll come across as people who don't actually know anything about the animal they are talking about. More like some sensationalist guys working for the press. Science doesn't lie but people do; and science tells us that cats normally avoid bears, also those that are smaller than themselves. I enjoy seeing Pckts handing out a beating to our Pigporklord.
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Post by brobear on Jun 24, 2022 3:09:53 GMT -5
What do Bengal Tigers Eat – Bengal Tiger Diet zooologist.com/what-do-bengal-tigers-eat/ *The List: 1- Gaur 2- Sambar Deer 3- Chital 4- Takin 5- Serow 6- Barasingha 7- Water buffalo 8- Nilgai 9- Antelope 10- Hog deer 11- Wild boar 12- Grey langurs 13- Muntjac 14- Hares 15- Porcupines 16- Rhesus Monkey 17- Peafowl ( bears not on list ) Notice that the Indian wild boar is typically about the same size as a sloth bear. The Indian hog deer, and those prey animals listed below the wild boar are much smaller than a sloth bear. The nilgai or "blue bull" is bigger than a sloth bear but certainly easier to kill, while antelope are much harder to catch. Bottom line, the sloth bear is not ignored by the tiger because of his small size. Sure, the tiger sometimes kills larger prey animals which would provide more meat, but he also often kills animals much smaller than a sloth bear. The real reason sloth bears are rarely hunted is the fact that a bear is dangerous prey. Except for one single case caught on video of a tiger killing a sloth bear in a face-off and one case of a tiger killing a mother sloth bear in a "chase and catch" scenario, when a sloth bear stands his ground, the tiger walks away. Nearly all sloth bears killed by tigers, which are not many, are killed from ambush.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Jun 24, 2022 5:18:02 GMT -5
brobearThere is one video of a tiger quickly finishing a female sloth bear on Youtube, however, I think that event has a long back story. It was originally posted on a travel blog by a tourist, I couldn't access the blog back then but Warsaw could and he posted a few excerpts on Carnivora. It described that the male tiger had been attacking the female sloth bear for a couple of days and that he gradually weakened her as he didn't tolerate them within his territory.
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Post by brobear on Jun 24, 2022 13:17:51 GMT -5
*Fact: When an adult sloth bear ( male or female ) stands his or her ground against an adult male tiger, and the two animals stand face-to-face, no matter where it goes from there, this is a face-off event. If the tiger walks away from this confrontation without killing the sloth bear, the outcome cannot be considered as a draw. Why? The tiger is a predator. The agenda of the tiger is to feast on bear flesh. The sloth bear is a forager. The mainstay of his diet is social insects supplemented by fruit. In a confrontation against a tiger, the bear's agenda is to survive a confrontation with a tiger. If the tiger walks away from the confrontation, then he has failed to make a kill. Meanwhile, the bear has achieved his ( or her ) agenda and lives another day. - Bear Wins. I will add; if the tiger's agenda is merely to drive the bear out of his territory, as is the case in some rare events, but walks away with the bear still standing there, here again - Bear Wins. I will add; at this point in time, we all know of only one verified case of a tiger killing a full-grown male sloth bear in a face-off event. In fact, the only adult sloth bear of either sex. I will add to this, at this point in time, we all know of only one single case of a tiger killing an adult sloth bear in a 'chase and catch' event. Sad thing is, when a big male tiger kills a female bear roughly half his own weight, this does not put a feather in anyone's hat. But, to express just how desperate the tiger fans can be, they cheer and applause this particular video as 'a great victory' for the tiger. All other sloth bears killed by tigers that we know about has been killed from ambush. Here again, an ambush killing does not place a feather in anyone's hat. Another point to be made; every time, under any circumstances, that a tiger kills a sloth bear, he is killing a bear smaller than himself. There has yet to be found even one single confirmed report of a tiger *ever killing a bear of any species as big or bigger than himself. *Bottom line: All I can do is to look down on those tiger fanboys who brag that the Bengal tiger ( Average mature Bengal tiger - 463 pounds / Average mature Bengal tigress - 304.2 pounds. ) will ambush and kill a sloth bear ( Indian sloth bear - sow: 165 pounds /Indian sloth bear - boar: 242 pounds. ) and just shake my head as I ponder just how desperate they really are.
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Post by brobear on Jun 25, 2022 4:58:52 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jun 25, 2022 9:11:14 GMT -5
It actually gets down-right comical the excuses that tiger fans give when a sloth bear, even a small female, stands her ground and backs off a tiger, completely changing his mind about considering her as potential prey. It all boils down to complete denial. I myself consider the tiger to be the world's greatest single predator. As a hunter of large land-based prey animals, no bear can compete with a tiger's skills and abilities. However, the true tiger fans have a difficult time with the knowledge that for a member of the cat family to defeat a bear more often than not, that big cat needs a significant size and weight advantage. There is a reason why an Amur tiger always choose a bear smaller than himself as potential prey. Usually by at least 100 pounds. No matter how often a tiger fan sees a sloth bear ( either sex ) backing down a tiger, they will always make some lame-duck excuse. Examples I have read include, "the tiger wasn't hungry", "the tiger got bored", "the tiger wasn't really interested", "the tiger had other things to do", or ( best one of all ) "if the tiger really wanted to kill the bear, he would have." LOL
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Post by brobear on Jun 25, 2022 14:09:40 GMT -5
Tiger and Bear fight - New video.... As the video starts out with the little sloth bear already in the clutches of the tiger ( IMO ) there is about a 98% chance this was a typical ambush attack. Why do big cats have so much trouble with bears? The answer is simple. Cats are a product of over 20 million years of being hard-wired ambush predators. A cat dislikes any face-to-face confrontation. The reason the tiger could not kill the sloth bear, he could not get past the bear's natural defenses. On this video, the tiger wishes to kill and consume the bear. The bear merely wants the tiger to go away. In the end, the bear wins.
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 26, 2022 1:13:57 GMT -5
The bear' mission was to fend off the tiger - The bear did.
The tiger's mission was to kill the bear- the tiger failed.
So the bear clearly won since he achieved his goal, not the tiger.
And if it is even draw, so thats still impressive since the bear drawed with the opponent nearly twice his own size! Tigers do not dominate bears. However, the brown bear does in the russuan taiga.
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Post by brobear on Jun 26, 2022 1:28:46 GMT -5
The bear' mission was to fend off the tiger - The bear did. The tiger's mission was to kill the bear- the tiger failed. So the bear clearly won since he achieved his goal, not the tiger. And if it is even draw, so thats still impressive since the bear drawed with the opponent nearly twice his own size! Tigers do not dominate bears. However, the brown bear does in the russuan taiga. However, what the tiger fans call a draw, is when both animals walk away from the confrontation; meaning that the tiger failed to kill the bear
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Post by brobear on Jun 26, 2022 1:42:23 GMT -5
Teliya sisters taking down sloth bear in a 'chase-and-catch' scenario. Not often we see a tiger team-up. ( Not a face-off ) Credit to Apollo ~
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Post by brobear on Jun 26, 2022 2:44:11 GMT -5
Demythologizing what tiger fans often claim that bear fans claim concerning the Bengal tiger/sloth bear relationship... 1- WE know that a Bengal tiger can kill an adult sloth bear of either sex IF the tiger doesn't give up and stays in the fight. A sloth bear, half the size of the tiger, is not an easy kill when fought face-to-face. But, if the tiger is persistent, he can kill the bear probably in 9 out of 10 fights. *But only if the tiger is persistent and doesn't give up. 2- WE know that a tiger will sometimes stalk and ambush a sloth bear. In a successful ambush attack, the tiger manages to make a quick kill in nearly every attempt. No one is denying that tigers ( though not regularly as some tiger fans suggest ) hunt, kill, and consume sloth bears. 3- WE know that in most cases, when the sloth bear stands his or her ground ( when not ambushed in a surprise attack ) and stands face-to-face against a tiger, such a confrontation ends up with the tiger walking away. The bears defenses pose a threat to the tiger. A sloth bear always uses his claws to attack the face of his opponent. Only a very persistent tiger can manage to break through the bear's defenses. I would estimate that the tiger walks away, leaving a living breathing bear behind, no less than 9 out of 10 such confrontations. 4- WE know that no matter how many sloth bears are killed by tigers, when a tiger kills a bear only half his own size, this does not place a feather in the tiger fan's hat. In other words, no bragging rights earned. 5- WE know that Bengal tigers and sloth bears have been living within the same environment for possibly two million years. Nevertheless, the sloth bear cannot outrun a tiger, neither is he a fast accomplished tree-climber, and yet sloth bears manage to live in areas heavily populated by tigers and manage quite well. Obviously, a tiger will very rarely choose to hunt bears.
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