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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 12, 2020 15:39:01 GMT -5
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Post by theundertaker45 on Nov 12, 2020 15:58:48 GMT -5
That Arctodus had a massive skull; much more massive than modern brown bears. Its width basically is the length of a male lion skull. Their bite force must have been off the charts...
Awesome share, Kodiak!
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 12, 2020 16:07:21 GMT -5
That Arctodus skull is the widest and highest overall score of any bear i have seen up to now. The score is even higher than the record cave bear skull above which is around 32.55 inches. The longest length is still 571.4 mm from that cave bear, thing is that is not that wide.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Nov 12, 2020 16:13:56 GMT -5
That skull is the most impressive thing I've ever seen on a mammalian carnivore; a width of over 360mm, it basically outclasses any big cat/hyena skull in terms of length/width ratio, an absolute behemoth.
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Nov 15, 2020 15:49:32 GMT -5
Post by King Kodiak on Nov 15, 2020 15:49:32 GMT -5
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Nov 15, 2020 16:19:10 GMT -5
Post by brobear on Nov 15, 2020 16:19:10 GMT -5
Species www.gbif.org/species/4970115Arctodus simus = Arctodus simus subsp. yukonensis (Lambe, 1911) = Arctotherium californicum (Merriam, 1911) ≡ Arctotherium simum (Cope, 1879) = Arctotherium yukonense (Lambe, 1911) = Dinarctotherium merriami Barbour, 1916 = Tremarctotherium californicum (Merriam, 1911) = Tremarctotherium simum (Cope, 1879) = Tremarctotherium yukonense (Lambe, 1911)
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Post by theundertaker45 on Nov 15, 2020 16:20:56 GMT -5
King Kodiak Awesome share, thank you; that's an absolutely massive skull too. The short-faced bears seem to have been very well equipped in terms of skull size.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 15, 2020 16:39:13 GMT -5
King Kodiak Awesome share, thank you; that's an absolutely massive skull too. The short-faced bears seem to have been very well equipped in terms of skull size. Yeah definitely. The only confusion i see is with the genus. The pic says "Arctotherium Yukonense" which means its a specimen from Yukon, Canada. So in reality this skull is from the Arctodus genus, not Arctotherium which only ranged in South America.
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Nov 15, 2020 21:39:12 GMT -5
Post by brobear on Nov 15, 2020 21:39:12 GMT -5
King Kodiak Awesome share, thank you; that's an absolutely massive skull too. The short-faced bears seem to have been very well equipped in terms of skull size. Yeah definitely. The only confusion i see is with the genus. The pic says "Arctotherium Yukonense" which means its a specimen from Yukon, Canada. So in reality this skull is from the Arctodus genus, not Arctotherium which only ranged in South America.Reply #103: Listed are old names given to Arctodus simus. It took some time to figure out that Arctodus was a different genus from Arctotherium.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 15, 2020 21:42:00 GMT -5
Exactly brobear, that's what i was thinking.
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Nov 16, 2020 7:11:54 GMT -5
Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 16, 2020 7:11:54 GMT -5
Another example of prehistoric man's reverence to the BEAR.Bears seem to be respected in many cultures. The Inuits respect the polar bear.
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Nov 16, 2020 7:24:08 GMT -5
Post by brobear on Nov 16, 2020 7:24:08 GMT -5
Another example of prehistoric man's reverence to the BEAR.Bears seem to be respected in many cultures. The Inuits respect the polar bear. From page #1.
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Nov 24, 2020 14:39:09 GMT -5
Post by brobear on Nov 24, 2020 14:39:09 GMT -5
WORLD'S RECORDS ALASKA BROWN BEAR: Greatest length of skull without lower jaw: 17 15/16 Greatest width of skull: 12 13/16 SCORE: 30 12/16 *Note: There were Pleistocene brown bears larger than modern-day Kodiak bears or polar bears. *Note: Skull and body ration, cats have bigger heads per body size than bears.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 24, 2020 14:43:55 GMT -5
Brobear, reply #143, that Kodiak skull from Boone and Crockett is actually the second largest for a modern brown bear. The largest for a modern brown bear is the one that TheUndertaker found and it belongs to an Alaska Peninsula grizzly with a score of 30.86 inches:
domainofthebears.proboards.com/post/36012/thread
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Nov 24, 2020 14:49:18 GMT -5
Post by brobear on Nov 24, 2020 14:49:18 GMT -5
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Nov 24, 2020 15:11:59 GMT -5
Post by King Kodiak on Nov 24, 2020 15:11:59 GMT -5
Yeah well, an actual biologist (Tigerluver), said that humerus belonged to a skull that was 500 mm at max.
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Nov 24, 2020 15:36:11 GMT -5
Post by King Kodiak on Nov 24, 2020 15:36:11 GMT -5
Ok Ferox, you know the deal, you need to show the skull. I can also just say "one time i saw a modern brown bear skull with a score of 34 inches".
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Nov 24, 2020 16:19:04 GMT -5
Post by brobear on Nov 24, 2020 16:19:04 GMT -5
A few facts to consider. The skull of a cat is larger in proportion to its body than is the skull of a bear. Therefore, a cat and a bear with equal-sized skulls, the bear is bigger than the cat. Add to this, the bear has far greater girth.
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Nov 24, 2020 19:51:06 GMT -5
Post by brobear on Nov 24, 2020 19:51:06 GMT -5
This argument is going nowhere. Show data which reveals skull measurements. You should note though, to find a big cat with a skull to even compare with a modern brown bear, you must go back to the Pleistocene. And there in the Pleistocene were brown bears bigger than Kodiak bears. Show data which reveals skull measurements. Pictures without measurements are pointless.
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Nov 25, 2020 2:43:11 GMT -5
Post by theundertaker45 on Nov 25, 2020 2:43:11 GMT -5
The largest African lion skull accurately measured had a greatest length of 401mm; there was a mentioning of a 420mm skull but it was measured "over the bone" (over the curves) and it's real length taking the straight line measurement into account is unknown. The largest accurately measured brown bear skull had a greatest length of 503mm. So no, modern lions are nowhere near extant brown bears in this regard.
Edit: I've just seen that you meant American lions, nevermind.
@ferox
Maybe you want to introduce yourself in the "Member's Introduction" section; we haven't heard anything of you so far and why you joined the domain. That would be very nice of you!
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